ASV Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: Like, Oh My God, it's the 80's!
Looking at the track listing to Grosse Point Blank - and judging from responses to all these categories, plus several other times I've mentioned it here - you people love your new wave. Which is a good thing, as I love new wave, too.
So, yes. We are now going with the wide-open, generic categories of Best New Wave Band/Artis AND Best New Wave song. First, we shall define and set some parameters.
New wave is not punk. The Clash, Blondie, etc. are punk. If a band was defined as punk first, they don't count for this category. We're talking synthesizers and funny hair, here. Skinny ties. 12 inch dance remixes. Mostly 80's bands (though some did get their start as early as 1976) and only through about 1986 at that.
New wave covers a variety of sub genres including goth (Bauhaus, early Cure), synthpop (Depeche Mode, Soft Cell), and the new wave brand of Ska (Madness, the Specials). It goes from the Cars to Duran Duran, from Killing Joke to the Violent Femmes. (see here for more details on this). When you think new wave, you think Flock of Seagulls and Split Enz. You might also think New Order and Joy Division, Ultravox and the Boomtown Rats. There are literally thousands of new wave bands and songs to choose from. I, for one, don't think I could even narrow it down to one in this category, as this genre by far takes up the most room in my CD collection and I could go on about these songs and artists forever. But that's what you're here for. To do the choosing for me.
For further reference:
My favorite new wave songs
The punk v. new wave discussion
Punk v. new wave part II
For those unsure about the specificaitons, please click on the links provided in the post before you cast your vote to get some ideas and to make sure you are staying within the category. The artist thing is wide open, but for the song, try to pick one that really defines the new wave movement for you. You can vote for both categories or just one, doesn't matter. So, to reiterate:
BEST NEW WAVE BAND/ARTIST and BEST NEW WAVE SONG
I'll be right over here, going through my twelve inch remix vinyl and reminsicing about the nights dancing to Steven "Tin Tin" Duffy's Kiss Me on top of a speaker in a night club called Spit. I'll also upload some choice songs for you later.
Comments
The post punk/new wave lines seem to be mixed in the eyes of a lot of folks and some bands went through periods of both genres. Anyway, my favs are ....
New Order - Blue Monday, Bizzare Love Triangle and Sub-Culture.
The Cure - In Between Days , The Baby Screams, Close to me.
The Fixx - Saved By Zero, Reach the Beach, One Thing Leads to Another
Maybe someone can tell me where the Cars fit in?
Posted by: M.I. Smith | October 9, 2005 09:10 AM
Best New Wave Band (I'm going to stay away from goth nominees, like Bauhaus, The Cure, and Siouxsie and the Banshees, because I kind of think they need their own category):
This is a tough one, as I'm tempted to nominate The B-52s, Depeche Mode, and The Violent Femmes. But in my heart of hearts, if I'm going to choose among those three, it's going to be The B-52s. I think.
Best New Wave Song:
OK, the one song that I love and really defines New Wave for me. I guess I'm going to have to go with "Who Needs Love Like That" by Erasure.
Posted by: Lesley | October 9, 2005 09:11 AM
The Cars are totally new wave.
Posted by: Lesley | October 9, 2005 09:13 AM
Lol, I have never even heard of the bloody movie and it wins the award? WTF?
Best new wave band: Duran Duran.
Bubbling under: the Cars
Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge | October 9, 2005 09:37 AM
Best New Wave Band - Depeche Mode. They STILL kick all the ass, their concerts are amazing, and their music just keeps getting better.
Posted by: Annie | October 9, 2005 09:54 AM
Still smile every time I hear "Our House" by Madness,the video was hilarious to me.
And then there is one of my fave really bad movies that doesn't really hold up well but is still fun to watch in that car-wreck kind of way:
"Liqud Sky"
The dark-side of New-Wave
Posted by: mbruce | October 9, 2005 10:02 AM
Depeche Mode, The Squeeze, Duran Duran, The Cars, all have my vote.
Posted by: Robert | October 9, 2005 10:12 AM
Best New Wave Song:
---> Cars - Gary Numan
---> You Spin Me Right 'Round - Dead or Alive
Best New Wave Band:
--> Duran Duran
--> KajaYngwieMalmstein
Posted by: BumperStickerist | October 9, 2005 10:24 AM
Best New Wave Song:
Girls on Film - Duran Duran
Tainted Love - Soft Cell
Best New Wave Band:
Duran Duran
Posted by: Kate | October 9, 2005 10:27 AM
hmm Duran Duran tops it, for being my favorite, but Ultravox was a really rad band, too. And Squeeze. but wine is all i have.
Posted by: pril | October 9, 2005 10:47 AM
Squeeze
Modern English
Men at Work
Posted by: Mark | October 9, 2005 12:05 PM
Well, we've got to find a place for Devo somewhere. How about here?
Posted by: spd_rdr | October 9, 2005 12:08 PM
Best New Wave Band/Tune:
The Pretenders/The Middle of the Road
Posted by: Cowboy Blob | October 9, 2005 12:10 PM
Heh, every time someone brings up Depeche Mode, all I can think about is Andy Partridge's quote when he was asked why XTC didn't play live concerts. "It's not like we're Depeche Mode, we don't just jump onstage and push a bloody button!".
For the record, I don't consider Squeeze to be new wave, They were pop, really really good pop, but I'd put them more in the same genre with Joe Jackson. My biggest dilemma is whether to consider XTC new wave. I don't think I will.
Also, New Order/Joy Division were part of the Manchester invasion and not, IMHO, new wave. It would be difficult for me to lump New Order/Happy Mondays/The Charlatans UK in the same pile as Haircut 100 and ABC.
So, with those objections:
Best New Wave Band:
Psychedelic Furs
Duran Duran
Missing Persons
Best New Wave Song:
All That Money Wants - Psychedelic Furs
Million Miles Away - The Plimsouls
Stand and Deliver - Adam and the Ants
Posted by: Matt | October 9, 2005 12:40 PM
Oh yeah, one other song I can't believe I left out:
Lips Like Sugar - Echo and the Bunnymen
Posted by: Matt | October 9, 2005 12:42 PM
Best New Wave Song: Tainted Love, Soft Cell
Band/Artist? Duran Duran. Arena rock and ego in a new wave package. Great live too.
Posted by: JimK | October 9, 2005 01:06 PM
Matt, I've done a lot of research on the subject and the music historians consider all those bands new wave. If you don't want to consider them, fine, but for all intents and purposes, they are allowed to be included in these nominations.
Posted by: michele | October 9, 2005 01:08 PM
if we're going to split hairs, duran duran and adam and the ants were more New Romantic than New Wave.
I mean, i have a hard time calling the Plimsouls new wave, to me they were a straight rock band. But, whatever turns your crank. People call the Gun Club a punk band.. again, the crank thing.
Posted by: pril | October 9, 2005 01:17 PM
There will be no splitting of hairs here. If Matt wants to be all pedantic, that's his problem. This is MY Hall of Fame and I say the category is wide open for interpretation, but you should peruse the links above.
Posted by: michele | October 9, 2005 01:21 PM
I understand, not trying to start a debate, just personal opinion. At least people aren't nominating Ska bands.
Posted by: Matt | October 9, 2005 01:24 PM
Ultimate song- Toss up between Tainted Love and Gary Neuman Cars.
Ultimate band, I have to go with Duran Duran. I'd be betraying myself if I didn't.
Posted by: Alan | October 9, 2005 04:01 PM
I'll Melt with You, Tainted Love for songs
Posted by: carol | October 9, 2005 04:21 PM
New Wave is the heart and soul of my music collection. Everything from one hit wonders like Ice House (Electric Blue) and T'Pau (Heart & Soul) to groups still going strong today like Duran Duran and The Pet Shop Boys. Overall I'd have a really hard time choosing just one great band and one great song but since that's what Michele has asked for, that's what I must do.
My nominees are;
Best New Wave Band:
Erasure
This was tough but no other New Wave group has as many songs as Erasure that you can be sure will get people at a party to dance. From Victim of Love to Oh Lamour to A Little Respect, we all know them and we all know we'll dance to them.
Best New Wave Song:
Blue Monday - New Order
What can I say? You could go with "Obsession" or "Tainted Love" or any number of other songs, but for me and those I hang with, Blue Monday will always be the epitome of New Wave's awesomeness. Come on, sing it with me... "Every time I see you falling I get down on my knees and pray..."
Posted by: GeekMan | October 9, 2005 04:43 PM
I second "Cars" by Gary Numan for best song.
Posted by: dorkafork | October 9, 2005 05:54 PM
You count Split Enz as New Wave ? In that case, they have to get my vote.
Best New Wave Single: The biggest selling 12 inch single in history has to get that one - Blue Monday by New Order.
(Geekman: those lyrics at the end of your post are from "Bizarre Love Triangle" not "Blue Monday")
Posted by: Frank at work | October 9, 2005 06:19 PM
Violent Femmes are the best!
Posted by: CAROL | October 9, 2005 06:35 PM
Geekman, Frank is right. That's totally Bizarre Love Triangle. Blue Monday is "How does it feel. To treat me like you do. When you have your hands upon me. And told me who you are."
Rushes to turn on iTunes and play the New Order.
Posted by: Lesley | October 9, 2005 07:09 PM
Although, really, if we're talking New Order songs, where's the love for Temptation?
Posted by: Lesley | October 9, 2005 07:11 PM
I just came in here to say that the best New Order song is Temptation, hands down.
Oh you've got green eyes...
Posted by: michele | October 9, 2005 07:17 PM
When Depeche Mode comes to mind, I think of easy chicks, because anyone who walked around wearing a Violator shirt was guaranteed to get laid by the proto-goth chicks in our school. Life was good,
Still, I'd have to bite the bullet and say Duran Duran was the best New Wave band of the 80's, if only because of Girls on Film, the best video of the time. For me, New Wave is synonymous with the MTV I grew up with and I can't think of a song without its video immediately playing in my head. Duran Duran had the best videos and they didn't sound too bad, either.
The best New Wave song is West End Girls by the Pet Shop Boys.
Posted by: Paul | October 9, 2005 07:37 PM
Dammit!
I wrote the wrong lyrics! I humbly ask forgiveness of those who corrected my flagrantly foul quote. I was listening to one song while writing about another and the two became one in my mind. I am sorry.
[blush]
Posted by: GeekMan | October 9, 2005 07:40 PM
a vote for depeche mode here.
Posted by: beth | October 9, 2005 08:57 PM
New Order
Depeche Mode
The Cars
Posted by: Timmer | October 9, 2005 11:05 PM
OK. Here are a slew of favorites, in no particular order:
Obsession - Animotion
AEIOU and Sometimes Y - EBN OZN
Men Without Hats - Safety Dance
Under The Milky Way - The Church
Look of Love - ABC
Dear God - XTC
Just Another Day - Oingo Boingo
Love Will Tear Us Apart - Joy Division
People Are People - Depeche Mode
Half a Person - The Smiths
Every Little Counts - New Order
Ball of Confusion - Love and Rockets
Who Needs Love (Like That)- Erasure
China Girl - David Bowie
She Sells Sanctuary - The Cult
The Globe - Big Audio Dynamite
Stand and Deliver - Adam and the Ants
But if I'm going to have to vote for just one, it'd be Look of Love for the song (although Safety Dance, especially with that trippy video, comes close), and New Order for the band.
Posted by: RKB | October 10, 2005 12:00 AM
Along with the many fine nominees previously listed I'm going to toss the obligatory new wave ska band in: The English Beat.
In addition I'd add a hastily considered top 5 new wave bands:
The Replacements
The Jam
Split Endz
Judybats
Too Much Joy
There would definitely be songs from each of those bands on my best song list. If I had to choose just one song from that six-pack of bands I'm not sure that I could. Most likely it would come down to a choice between Split Endz "History Never Repeats" and TMJ's "Crush Story."
Having heard a live version with Finn and special guest Eddie Vedder, I'd probably go with "History Never Repeats."
Posted by: Kevin Aylward | October 10, 2005 01:11 AM
Michele,
Question: Where do Joy Division fit in your categorisation ? If they go into New Wave, then I have to nominate both "Love Will Tear Us Apart Again" and almightly awesome manic depressives best friend "Dead Souls".
They have to be nominated for best band too. As much as I love Split Enz (I Got You was the first record I ever bought), Joy Division just edges them if they fit into this category.
Posted by: Frank | October 10, 2005 04:38 AM
Michele, Michele, Michele.... You can't just leave out fac 50! The Him is THE best New Order tune ever. This is not up to discussion. lol
Posted by: tesco | October 10, 2005 06:20 AM
Everytime I see the words "The HIM" I'm reminded of that stupid faux goth band and how every teenager this side of Hot Topic assures everyone else of their darkness by wearing The HIM's visage on their shirts, hats, ass, whatever.
Posted by: michele | October 10, 2005 06:23 AM
sorry... By the way, the real deal about New Wave is that the new wave kids were in fact the ones who became Punk after the Teddy's and Mods. So, Punk is New Wave and vise-versa.
Posted by: tesco | October 10, 2005 07:12 AM
Loverboy - "The Kid is Hot Tonight" or "Working for the Weekend"
Posted by: Don | October 10, 2005 09:55 AM
I can't pick a "best" New Wave band since, while some were entertaining, most that I'd file under that category would be cross-filed under "Must be Destroyed."
And Kevin? How the hell can you consider The Jam? "In the City," "Going Underground," and "Tube Station," to name a few, to me takes them out of consideration. They might not have been a straight-up punk band, but a guitar, bass and drums plus plenty of anger does not meet the basic New Wave paradigm. I always had the impression Weller and his sidekicks would beat the crap out of bands like Adam and the Ants just on general principles if given half a chance.
Posted by: TC@LeatherPenguin | October 10, 2005 10:08 AM
This is too hard, but since they haven't been mentioned already (at least on this thread):
Tears for Fears - Change
Simple Minds - Love Song
The Chameleons - Second Skin (or almost anything else from 'Script of a bridge')
This Mortal Coil - Song to the Siren
Modern English - I Melt with You
Orchestral Manoeuvers in the Dark - Enola Gay
Ultravox - Vienna
Bronski Beat - Smalltown Boy
Once upon a time (speaking of 'Boy'), U2 was considered New Wave, but ...
Posted by: Lynn B. | October 10, 2005 10:15 AM