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Is anyone else a bit angry today?

This is an open thread. Feel free to let fly.

[I have to leave the house for a while. Please find me some "good news" links? Please?]

Update: What? You want me to explain? There's about 500 things to be angry about right now including, but not limited to, ineptness, incompetence, looters, people shooting at rescue help, people with absolutely no capacity for empathy or sympathy, moral absolutists, people who refuse to generate even a modicum of understanding of people in a dire situation, lack of responsibility, lack of preparedness, helplessness and the general suckiness of a good portion of human beings. So many people fail at humanity, on a daily basis.

Update again: Hah, this is kind of funny. Everyone thinks I'm angry about what THEY are angry about. Getting "fuck, yea!" emails for things that weren't even on my mind.

Apparently, some people have taken the words "I'm angry" and used their Little Orphan Annie decoder rings to figure out that what I really meant was "I blame Bush and ONLY Bush for everything." Uh....don't hold your breath waiting for that post, it's not coming. In fact, if you're one of those people who spent the past three days posting nothing but potshots at Bush in regards to Katrina, you're on my list. Not that you care, but you're on the list.

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Yeah. But discussing it gives creedence to the pricks politicizing something that should not be political. So I'm stewing.

I have never been more furious.

I'm angry and I let it out on my blog....fuckin' looters. That is what this is about right?

Am I angry? Of course I'm angry, I'm a young, white American male.

Now who wants a peice!? Eh?

I was fine till right about noon when I saw a horribly perfect example of the politicization of relief efforts for the hurricane victims. I'm still steaming from it.

I'm trying hard not be get pissed, to try to stay empathetic, but it's getting hard.

The media, who I think have done an oustanding job the past few days in covering what's going on, are now starting to comletely piss me off. When they know damn well the answers to "why" they just jump on the pissing and moaning bandwagon.

I am livid at the dickheads who are looting and shooting. And probably just as livid at the "local authorities" who let them get away with it.

That's why the amazing amount of generosity of every type has to continue to be told.

Who the hell, after sitting in that hell for the last 3 days, would shoot at those attempting to rescue them? I guess I'm a moral absolutist when it comes to those whose idiotic actions place many humans in danger.

BTW Michelle, does that mean you're mad at me?

Serge

IM pretty pissed as well. I suspended regular posting at babalu to only post about donations and and the relief drive and Ive had 4 separate people come into the comments section, offer some stupidity of a donation such as an apartment in Anaheim and then go on and berate President Bush and Homeland security and the War in Iraq and yadyadayada.

On any given day I would have publicly given these gys a solid verbal spanking in public, but it's not the time to be pointing finger. You cant help out those in need if your busy pointing fucking fingers.

I'm trying not to be angry without getting a good picture of the situation from someone who really knows what he's talking about wrt disaster relief efforts (and most of them are hopefully too busy to talk right now.)

I understand it's an inherently chaotic situation, and nobody can wave a magic wand... but shouldn't we be doing a little better than this, at least? Maybe we haven't been preparing for this precisely, but since 9/11, DHS should be prepared for the aftermath of the destruction of a city. Right?

I agree Beth, the media is really starting to piss me off. I was watching a bit of the coverage on various channels this morning and I had to turn it off when I felt my head start to pound with all the insensitive questions and analogies and the staggering negativity I was hearing. I realize this is one of the worst (if not the worst) natural disasters that has ever been seen in this country and there is nothing positive about that. But the CONSTANT frenzy of reporters looking for the worse and expecting the worse and promoting the worst.. aggravates me. I'd ten times rather get my news about that area from people who are there and who have a vested interest and love for their city rather than reporter with a vested interest what story is the most depressing and therefore newsworthy.

I like Michele's idea of finding the stories of generousity and stories of this tragedy bringing out the best in people - I couldn't believe they were as hard to find as they were.

William Golding was definitely on to somethng when he wrote Lord of the Flies.

I'm angry because I don't understand what's happening down there and I feel like people are dying by the minute, and, for all the stupid shooting and asshatness going on, people aren't being rescued. I feel helpless other than contributing money.

But thanks for the "good news" snippets. I really do appreciate hearing that everything isn't going to hell at once.

I'm trying to keep it positive.

To quote Claire Huxtable, I'm not angry. I'm MAD.

Beth,

Agreed. Now is not the time to point fingers and play the blame game. Let's get these people off of the rooftops, out of the danger zones, and into dry, safe shelters with the minimum necessities - food and water. The energy being expended on trying to blame the devastation on Bush is incredible, when there are much more important things to worry about:

Babies who aren't breastfed who need formula.
People with chronic medical conditions who need medication.
Reuniting families, rescuing survivors, and identifying victims so that their friends and relatives at least KNOW what's happened to them.

Instead, we've got price-gouging and looting by police.

I listened to a far-left radio talk show host last night bemoan the fact that morale is down. To his credit, he said that even if Bush had personally gone down and stuck his finger in the dike, he couldn't have prevented the disaster; but he genuinely couldn't understand why others were hellbent on blaming Bush.

Maybe it has something to do with the concerted effort over the past year to blame him for everything else that goes wrong? Give me a break - the man can only do so much. It's up to the rest of us to carry out the work. Sitting around taking potshots doesn't cut it. Posting every negative story about Bush doesn't cut it.

Put your money where your mouth is, and put it where it's needed most right now - to the relief efforts.

I have become frustrated not knowing what the hell is really going on. I don't just mean in the heart of New Orleans. I want to know what's happening to all the refugees. Surprisingly, NPR has provided some good interviews and first hand accoutns of how people are surviving outside of New Oreans and there are even stories of how those receiving the refugees are going out of their way to be kind and welcoming.

Besides the refugees, I'd like to know why we can't be more agressive in securing the city and finishing the evacuation. Water? Come on! Fucking water is slowing down the US Military? Water is making it impossible to airlift supplies to the Superdome? Flooding makes it impossible to bring in food and water? I don't buy it.

When I skimmed your list of anger-items, I read "looters" as "lobsters".

And I wondered, why would anyone be mad about lobsters?

Well, except for their beady little eyes on stalks, and their vicious claws, and their plot to kill us all and eat us with butter-garlic dip.

Savages!

Oh, and on a more serious note.

Patrick: They're not flying supplies in to the Superdome because people have been shooting at the helicopters.

Water alone doesn't slow down the military much. But 6-10 feet of it in an area that isn't accessible by outside boats does. It's not a common sort of thing for the military to have to deal with.

They're stuck with just helicopters for dealing with that sort of thing (too deep for an HMMWV to ford, even with the snorkel attachments), and if people Shoot at the choppers, well... it's either bug out or shoot back. And nobody's willing to authorize shooting back just yet, I think.

I'm sitting on my couch, holding my wife who is crying for her mother who's stuck (hopefully) in a nursing home down there.

Angry doesn't cover it. What kind of stupidfuck state government doesn't setup a clearinghouse of healthcare facility information for times of diaster?

A little water has never stopped our military in the event of a war...

There will be time aplenty for blame after we get through the first few weeks, as there was with September 11.

I haven't seen enough yet to know whether Bush really should be faulted or not for some of the things he's taking heat for, but given the number of years it takes to turn government construction plans and the like into reality, especially in Louisiana, it's pretty clear that even if Bush had taken all the right steps - and maybe even if Clinton had taken them first - there wouldn't have been enough time to prevent what happened (see here).

If you want people to be mad at now, try the people shooting at the helicopters trying to rescue people from the hospital.

Well said, Crank.

Construction for retrofitting Bay Area bridges/freeways stemming from the '89 earthquake is still in progress.

Like you, Michele, I wish there were more TFD threads that are not about the hurricane and/or gas prices and/or "Chimpy McFlightsuit".

The fury I feel at the looters is only a notch or two above what I feel at those that blame Katrina

On God (His wrath to prevent a gay parade)
On Allah (Private Katrina is now a soldier in jihad against the infidels)
On Bush (fill in the blank)

BTW...looting has happened after EVERY major disaster... Frisco in 1906, Chicago after the huge fire, Galvaston after a hurricane in the early 1900's...

There is always those whose humanity is a tissue thin veneer only held in place when they think they'll be "caught" ...and it gives way to the looter pathology (almost indistinguishable from rapist pathology) when cops and others are busy elsewheres..LIKE HELPING VICTIMS.

After going through a few anxious weeks when my daughter, a paramedic, had to be accompanied by a SWAT team to each call due to threats by a gang to kidnap/murder firemen/emts in retalitation against the police, nothing that that segment of animals masquerading as humans surprises me.

THEY are the true vampires, but instead of a stake, a bullet to the brain will take care of them.

Faster, please.

I am angry at everyone who thinks they know fuckall about what's going on with the relief efforts. Just because you don't fucking see something happening on fucking CNN doesn't mean it isn't. God. Damn.

So let me get this straight?

All of you are ANGRY because the MEDIA is pointing out that the local, state and federal goverments dropped the ball and now we have TENS OF THOUSANDS of POOR PEOPLE dying and starving in OUR OWN NATION and after FIVE DAYS there is still NO HELP for most of them?

Wow.....wowwwwww... Holy shit!!....Unreal.

Like rats following the piper. Blind and clueless.

Patrick: They're not flying supplies in to the Superdome because people have been shooting at the helicopters.

Then they need to shoot back.

I'm so angry. Oh my god, I'm angry. And I can't believe people have nothing better to do than point fingers. I don't care whose fault it is right now!! I just want all those people rescued, and fed, and taken care of.

I haven't gotten any work done all week, I don't think. I keep waiting for the Good Happy News that will help me relax a little. And I just keep finding worse stuff than I even imagined, and I have a heck of an imagination for depressing stuff.

Here is another good news snippet: the first official refugees have arrived at the Astrodome, which sounds much more comfy than the Superdome.

On Allah (Private Katrina is now a soldier in jihad against the infidels)

I saw that on the WWL-TV blog. I don't know whether to be angry or filled with merriment at pondering its utter lameness.

I'm beyond pissed. People are getting raped and killed down there, it's been, what, 4 days, and no order. Bush is the leader, and he's doing a piss-poor job of leading. Some one has to take charge.

As far as focusing on the good, michele you can do that later, I'm focusing on the dead and the raped. Jesus Christ.

"So let me get this straight?

All of you are ANGRY because the MEDIA is pointing out that the local, state and federal goverments dropped the ball and now we have TENS OF THOUSANDS of POOR PEOPLE dying and starving in OUR OWN NATION and after FIVE DAYS there is still NO HELP for most of them?"

Media, who cares about the media? Who is in charge? Why is there no order? Why are people not asking these questions? Instead of gathering fucking Liquid Paper, Jesus Christ, where are the Marines?

How many small speedboats are there between say Houston and Pensacola? The people who own them should be driving into New Orleans in a fleet, grabbing as many as their boats can handle and getting out of the area. Hell, the military should commandeer them and do the same.

I can understand looting when you have no food or water and covered in shit and piss just trying to survive, but the cops should be shooting the violent people down like dogs. Someone trying to rape or murder someone else gets a bullet and dumped in the water. The whole prison population should have been left to drown.

There's nothing we can do, and no amount of donated money will help. Arrgh! :(

And here's something to add:

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3333796

to Whatever: Who the hell said I was angry at the media? Idiot.

Instead of gathering fucking Liquid Paper,

That aimed at ME, Vince?

Before everyone gets too upset, check out this article I found. Written before the hurricane.

Is it time to play the Doom Song yet?

I was angry. I was feeling -- this is a phrase from an old Andre Norton scifi short story -- "lower than an antman's belly and twice as mean." Also, now that I have used it for the title to three posts, I can't get that Led Zeppelin song out of my head. God might not be punishing the Gulf Coast, but he sure is punishing me... (On Winamp right now: the Juno Reactor remix of Gravity Kills "Guilty." Maybe listening to that over and over will destroy the whiny sound of Robert Plant in my brain pan...)

Anyway... where was I? Oh yeah. Mad. Well, I was mad as hell and I wasn't going to take it anymore, so I bought some cheap rosť. Now everything is zen... zen... zennnnnn....

Zen, dammit!

Let's see, where to begin?

Mad at the people blaming ANYONE for the hurricane? Check.

Mad at the yahoos shooting at the rescuers? Got it.

Mad at the politicians who don't seem to be doing stuff fast enough to get those people the HELL out of there? I'm there.

Mad that I'm a 44 yr old white guy who still doesn't own his Mustang? Ummm, not so much today, perspective is a wonderful thing.

Yeah watching those pictures are pretty frustrating. It will be interesting to see if the federal government has finally taken over by tomorrow morning. Since no one else seem capable there of doing anything I think it may in fact be necessary.

I'm mad that nothing seems to be getting done! I don't really care whose fault it is...I want to see some ACTION! I'm mad at my fellow human beings who instead of rising to the occaision and helping others are taking advantage of the weak and helpless. After 10,000 years on this earth we're not better than that? It's enough to make me want to resign from the human race...

I just hope the rest of the nation doesn't catch this anarchy bug.

Lastly, I'm mad that ever since 9-11 ecerything has just seemed like a constant downward spiral. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED?!!!

How can we fix it? What can one small (broke, unemployed, disheartened) individual like me do?

Mayor New Orlenas mayor spoke in CNN:

The level of deperation on his voice is outstanding. He is furious, he is honest, he is desperate.

Both interviewer and the mayor begun crying towards the end of the interview. Grown up man overwhelmed by such horror. Made my soul tear in half.

To me, none of this is excusable. And I am a moderate person with no extremist tendencies. I have stayed outside of the whole Iraq War arguments, but now, seeing this disaster and the awful response the goverment has given , I can only come to one conclusion:

The politicians are spinning the disaster so as to cover up the fact the entire region has been left unprotected by the lack of troops, most of which are in Iraq. All of them have been holding their breath counting on Americans short term memory not to put 2 and 2 together. But I have. it is simple math.

And some of these idiots are still blaming the people that did not evacuate. By the looks of it, it sounds like most of those people could not make it out for the lack of money and recources. And aside from that. the hospitals were never evacuated...WHAT?????.

We live in times where mediocrity is King. I see it in our culture, i see in our politicians, I see it all around us.

The politicians are spinning the disaster so as to cover up the fact the entire region has been left unprotected by the lack of troops, most of which are in Iraq. All of them have been holding their breath counting on Americans short term memory not to put 2 and 2 together. But I have. it is simple math.

Completely untrue. The three states affected by the Hurricane only have 3000 each in Iraq. I believe this out of a total of 15,000 or so per state. There is no excuse for blaming this problem on the war in Iraq. They are, in fact, completely unrelated.

So basically 45.000 troops from the three states affected are in Iraq. Ok, maybe half of that. Or just a 1/3 of that. With all their gear and trucks, and humbies, and helicopters, and communication centers, and emergency medical personnel.

Somehow, if they were back home that would make no difference, or so goes your logic. Instead iwe are much better off having them on the other side of the planet rebuildng a
foreign nation while dodging roadside bombs and sucider bombers.

(big silent pause)

Like Elmer Fudge huting for wabbits.

It's like this:

New Orleans is a ship with holes in it and it's sinking fast. You all can debate and argue all you want about who put the holes in it or who's not plugging the holes, but in the meantime people are dying. Right now it doesn't matter who's to blame. Getting help down there and attending to these refugees and those who can't get out yet is all that matters.

I really don't get why some of my fellow human beings can't appreciate the urgency of this situation. People who haven't been rescued yet will soon be dying because they don't have water and food.

Let that sink in for a second.

Elvato

Ever pay attention in civics class? The Feds just can't waltz into a state without the EXPRESS say-so of the Governor. If she saw the plans prior... 6000 National guard on hand plus thousands of more in other states on the ready...and accepted it as adequate then WTF is the Pentagon supposed to do? Tell her "no" but THEY'LL be taking over?

Jaysus on a Pony, Bush declared the area a fed disaster zone BEFORE Katrina struck thereby clearing the way for FEMA to be on hand. IIRC he did the same thing prior to a hurricane in FL a few years back and got criticized by the usual kneejerkBu$Hitler bots that it was all a political thing and he should butt out until asked.

For all the disaster and all the crap, people are being evacuated, rescued, found, et al. There is good being done and y'all that want to shit on everyone because the mayor, the gov and the president haven't been immediately strung up on the nearest tree can kiss my ass. Fuckin' video game babies who believe everything can be perfectly predicted and instantaneously solved. Fuck yourselves with the joystick.

A few people here have said what is so true - this wasn't politics it was nature. Clinton never listened when told the levees needed to be modernized and everyone has crossed their fingers since then that "a big one" wouldn't happen. As Darleen points out, Bush declared the area a national disaster BEFORE it began raining, so why is everyone on his case? This is a huge problem so it's going to take a huge amount of work to fix. There are only so many roads and the ground is still unstable.

So basically 45.000 troops from the three states affected are in Iraq. Ok, maybe half of that. Or just a 1/3 of that. With all their gear and trucks, and humbies, and helicopters, and communication centers, and emergency medical personnel.

No 3 (states) x 3000 (people) = 9000 out of a total of 45,000 troops are in Iraq.

Ever pay attention in civics class? The Feds just can't waltz into a state without the EXPRESS say-so of the Governor. If she saw the plans prior... 6000 National guard on hand plus thousands of more in other states on the ready...and accepted it as adequate then WTF is the Pentagon supposed to do? Tell her "no" but THEY'LL be taking over?

Darleen, can you imagine the hysteria if the military had shown up the day after the hurricane and taken over? You are quite right. I am trying to track the relevant pieces of information on how these things must be done according to law. The lack of grasp of the basic functions of American goverenance is breathtaking sometimes.

First of all, to the psychic over there: I am 48, last time I played a video game was...Pac Man once back in 1985.

I served in the army during both the Somalia and the 1st Gulf War. I have lost friends defending the civil liberties you speak off, and in some cases, the freedom of foreign peoples. No need to explain how I feel about your lesson on such matters. I forgive you because you are either too young, too naive, too caught up in politics, or simply a less sympathetic version of Forrest Gump

Since I have actually witness the US army deploy emergency response FIRST HAND many times, I can then compare accordingly. To a trained eye, whether you like it or not, the response in N.O. was sub-standard AT BEST, and it appears to me, politics aside, that the reason for this was a lack on local troops (National Guard or otherwise), which is why there was a delay for help to arrive; Troops and equipment had to be brought from elsewhere, and that delay costed time and lives.

As a result of the war in Iraq and the cut in taxes (which I am not neither for or against, just stating the facts) all U.S. government agencies NOT directly connected with the war in terror have had their budget reduced, lots of programs cut down by half or less. Normal in times of war. Among those programs was a request by the U.S. Corps of Engineers to improve the levees system in New Orleans, which was cut down to almost 1/3 last year. So as you can see, the cost of the war in Iraq is only but two degrees of separation from the disaster in N.O.

Here is the logic from were stand: Had the war in Iraq panned out WMD's, you would have never heard a peep out of me. I will even take it one notch below that; Had the war in Iraq panned out no WMD's BUT the rest of the world never tried to talk us out of it, you STILL would not hear a peep out of me. The problem is that before the war, everyone from the UN inspectors to our allies tried to tell us we were wrong. We were given plenty of reasons why not to go to war, but we did anyway. The book "The Art of War" , which as some of you know is one of the most read military books in history and still in use in most military academies, clearly teaches us about keeping a measured balance between resources and goals: Watch you supplies, make sure your troops are well rested, watch your back as much as the front line, etc. I can honestly say that the war in Iraq broke just about every single of the basic rules layout in this book. The disaster in N.O. could have been a large earthquake in California, or a terrorist attack in Chicago, or a biological attack in Washington D.C. In all those scenarios, our economy has been left weaked by the amounts of money and resources the war is costing. Just a non-political fact.

What did we get in return for the war in Iraq so far? $ 3.50 a gallon of gasoline. That is a politcal fact, one that affects all of us.

Finally, a reminder of GW in 2000:

" I am a uniter, not a divider"

Like I said, mediocrity is king.

I'm not mad at all.

I'm amused by all those who are making this about them and their agendas and appreciative to those who aren't.

The school supplies idea was good one.

Keep up the good work, Michelle

I don't think these people are worth saving

I'm a little angry, too. All of those school buses flooded in New Orleans that could have gotten people out of there in advance.