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Darwin Calling on New Orleans

So I was just reading on a message board about a group of people in New Orleans who are planning on defying the mandatory evacuation to have a hurricane party, in which they drink beer, wait it and, presumably, die.

I'm sure the dying part isn't in their plans because, you know, twentysomething college kids are infuckingvincible, man.

What a bunch of idiots. Seriously. This is like seeing a live wire on the ground and saying "Duhhh, I wonder what will happen if I touch it?"

You lose. Gene pool gets a little cleaner. Adios, assholes.

[I do remember hearing a story about a hurricane party during Camille, in which all the partiers but one died]

I feel bad for the tourists who are straned in the city and can't get hotel rooms that are at least three floors high. Sure, you can cram everyone into the Superdome (when was the last time that place saw full capacity?) but they're calling for a 28 wall of water to come crashing down on the city. The Superdome is going to look like Atlantis, no?

Then there's people like this:

In the French Quarter, the revelers, street musicians, tarot card readers and fortune tellers carried on like it was any other Saturday.

``I'll be here tomorrow, I'm not leaving,'' said trombonist Eddie ``Doc'' Lewis. ``I've been through typhoons, monsoons, tornadoes, hurricanes and every other phoon, soon or storm. I'm not worried.''

Down the street, psychic Jackie Wilson waited for customers at a card table, advertising ``Free sample readings.''

``I'm not leaving, we live in a 100-year-old building a block away,'' she said. ``It's survived all that time. But I tell you, this is ground-X right here. This storm is heading right for us. Get ready.'

Ok, then. You're just stupid.

You want to know what a category five hurricane does?

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Would YOU hang around for that? Hell, even if I were Jim Cantore and being paid the big bucks to stick around, I wouldn't.

Good luck to everyone in New Orleans. Get the hell out and stay safe.

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Read this article on the potential effect of a hurricane striking NO.

"A couple of days ago," explains Maestri, "We actually had an exercise where we brought a fictitious Category Five Hurricane into the metropolitan area." When the computer models showed Walter Maestri what would happen after a hurricane hit New Orleans, he wrote big letters on the map: "KYAGB—kiss your ass good bye." Photo: William Brangham/NOW with Bill Moyers

The map is covered with arrows and swirls in erasable marker. They show how the fictitious hurricane crossed Key West and then smacked into New Orleans.

When the computer models showed Maestri what would happen next, he wrote big letters on the map, all in capitals.

"KYAGB—kiss your ass good bye," reads Maestri.
"Because," says Maestri, "anyone who was here when that storm came across was gone—it was body-bag time. We think 40,000 people could lose their lives in the metropolitan area."

Here's hoping for the best for the residents of New Orleans. And here's hoping the hurricane partiers wise up before it's too late.


Holy shit.


That is one frightening image.


This post is still getting a lot of hits/comments. Please not this was written before the hurricane struck. Please go to the "main" link at the top of the page and scroll down for links to stories about good news coming out of the area and ways you can help.


They are saying this is the biggest storm ever recorded. EVER. Good luck to anyone who lives near New Orleans. I hope you're reading this from someplace safe, like Florida or Canada even.

Very scary. Hurricane Andrew was only a category 4!

Apparently, some people got hit by a clue-by-four over night, as Sheppard Smith was live broadcasting from the French Quarter, and he said it was pretty "dead" down there today.

I suspect the strengthening of the storm overnight scared some people sober. I hope so.

As for Cantore, he's not even stupid enough to go to the Big Easy, he's holed up in Biloxi, Miss.

The Weather Channel showed a graphic of a category 4 hurricane and compared it to the current graphic of this one....the difference between a 4 and a 5 is huge. The category 4 graphic looked about 1/4th the size of the category 5.

Not good. I hope people will have the good sense to get the hell out of there, especially since if the power goes out, the pumping system for the canals in New Orleans will cease to work. Bad enough that the city is below sea level to begin with.

Make that levees in my previous comment, not canals.

I beleive the Dome is going to have its first sellout.

I beleive they reported (or maybe saw on Fark) that the dome is built 20 ft above sea level. But in any event they expecting the lower levels to be flooded and the dome to be dark and cold...

I really fell bad for the poor and the older folks who cant get out. Will say a prayer for them tonight.

On television a short while ago, they were talking about how the winds had slowed to somewhere around 160 and gusts of like 195. It was followed with "that is still not a good thing." Gee, ya think?

Best damm blog headline in a hell of a long time! And I agree 100%. Any of these morons whinge to the press afterwards should be sneered at with great aplomb.

The mandatory evacuation order was issued too late. There are many people in N.O. (both residents and tourists) who don't have access to cars, and there has been very little organized effort to get them out via buses, boats etc. Don't make snarky jokes about Darwin; a lot of people are going to die because of the incompetence of the city government.

If Jim Cantore and the Weather Channel people are getting out..and getting away from the coast - then that should be telling a lot of those stupid people who choose to be arrogant and stupid in the face of a Category 5 hurricane. KYAGB indeed.

My snark was about the people who willingly stay because they think it will be fun to have some kind of frat party while there's a category 5 coming in.

I thought that was obvious.

There was a fella on the Weather Channel that said he was planning to ride it out, until he heard it went Category 5.

NJSue, people who stay in the face of a storm that killed 9 people in Florida THREE days ago and is now a Category Five killer storm because they think that somehow its going to be something to party about and they dont need to evacuate, deserve all the Darwin Awards jokes they get.

You can't seriously think Michele was referring to anyone, but these peckerheads.

I flew over Grand Cayman three months after Ivan (Cat 5) hit and it was awe-inspiring. At least 1/3 of the island was simply bare ground--even the foundations of the buildings were gone. I saw 35 foot boats lying several miles inland. A year later the airport is still missing the entire upper floor and only about 1/3 of the hotel rooms and tourist facilities are back in operation. And Grand Cayman is no ordinary third world Caribbean island, but a wealthy international banking center.
I think those remaining in New Orleans simply have no grasp of what they are facing. Darwin will take his due.

Andrew was reclassified a category 5 storm a few years ago.


Fortunately (!) it isn't a wall of water like a tsunami, but a somewha more gradual rise as the wind just keeps pushing the water onward and upward while the lower pressure does it's part to elevate the tide. If it really were a wall of water I don't think the people above the third floor of the larger hotels would be safe. Either way, Bourbon Street is going to be under water for a few days or more and will smell much, much worse than it usually does for quite some time.

Maybe this event will cause the Army Corps of Engineers to let the Mississippi River change course after all.

One good thing - I haven't seen any news footage from the beaches, with interviews with idiot surfers hoping to catch "the big one."

so, a fella hears on the radio 'Flood waters are coming, evacuate' and he ignores the warning and says "I'll be okay, God will look out for me.

It starts to rain. The fella thinks "I will be okay, God will look out for me"

Two hours later, the firetruck rolls by axle deep in water, and the voice comes over the speaker, we need to evacuate immediately, climb on'. And the fella waves them off and says 'I will be okay, God will look after me.'

The flood waters rise, the fella eventually ends up on his roof. A helicopter manages to fly over head, but the fella waves it off saying 'I'll be okay God will look after me.'

The man drowns.

When he gets to heaven, the fella says "Lord, I thought you would look after me!"

God says "I sent a radio broadcast, a fire truck, and a helicopter ... what more did you want?"

Comment by NJ SUE is ridiculous. I live on the coast of North Carolina and have been through six hurricanes in the last ten years. We don't wait for the government to show up in our driveways with buses before we decide to evacuate. We take personal responsibility. Nontheless I to feel very sorry for the thousands who couldn't get help and for the many thousands who will lose everything. Let us all pray for them as never before.

This is so sad. I wish this was almost any city except New Orleans. It's such an amazing town, and we have so very few like it. In fact, we have none. This is an American cultural treasure and I hope the storm weakens soon and spares the city the worst.

For those riding it out, good luck, folks.

IIRC when Mt. St. Helens blew there was this one old guy with an Inn on Spirit Lake who "wasn't worried."

Never did find his body.

Living in earthquake country my whole life, I only wish we had a sure-fire way of predicting them

I would certainly NOT wait for a "mandatory" evacuation order if I new a 8+ pointer were on the way.

My thoughts and prayers for everyone in Katrina's path.

Truly frightening--like knowing what time the Big One is coming here in LA and waiting for it.

Darleen, you mean this guy, I think.


Thanks! Yep, that's him. I remember some of the interviews where everyone seemed so amused by this "colorful" curmudegeon. I was horrified because I just knew I was looking at a dead man.

I read that it may take 10 days to 10 months to dry the city out.

NJ Sue, the government simply cannot do everything. If they had arrested people the media would be all over them--and I'm sure the media is now gearing up now to blame all the deaths on the government--Bush, if at all possible.

I hope everybody is all right. I have a lot of friends there.

Yeah, Harry Truman, the Mt. St. Helens guy. There's always a few people who won't evacuate. I really don't have any idea what we as a society should do about them, but there are anti-suicide laws on the books.

Also, re: flooding. We may be seeing Venice-on-the-Mississippi here. Wouldn't be a bad tourist draw.

Amazingly, no one in the media seems to have pointed out yet that it would be really nice to have the Louisiana National Guard at full force at times like this, rather than fighting an unnecessary "war" halfway around the world.

Eric wins the prize for being the first Yahoo to blame this on the President.

I'm surprised you forgot:

--"It would be really nice to have FEMA fully funded; too bad we spent that money on tax cuts for the rich"
--"It would be really nice to have FEMA funded; too bad we spent this on Iraq"
--"This wouldn't have happened had we ratified the Kyoto Treaty"
--Allah is not pleased with the US.
--Gaia is not pleased with the US.

idiot. I thought Clinton was a tool, but I never even thought of blaming Hurricane Andrew on him.

JG but of course this is going to happen. There is pretty much nothing in the world the moonbats can't blame on Bush.

I love the way you put things :)

I too hope that no one is killed, but my heart also aches for the historic character of the city that may be lost. It's a beautiful city.

Eric must have come from the Daily Kos threads that were buzzing last night. wizbang mentioned them. {shakes head}

Yes alas its a beautiful city with a death wish. Anyone with any grasp of meterological or geological history can tell you that. To make matters worse in geological terms the Mississippi is a "meandering stream". (Translation its mouth does not stay static but moves around over time.)

Course the song that now comes to mind is 'When the Levee breaks' by Led Zep.

I'm not sure I agree with the opinion that people can be 'too poor' to evacuate. No matter how much or how little money a person has, he/she SHOULD have an instinct for self-preservation. Were the 1,000,000 Rwandan refugees who fled their country during the genocide leaving behind palaces, yachts, limos? NO - they gathered what was important (read: LOVED ONES, water, food) and hit the road ON FOOT. And all this without the tens of thousands of televsion/police/rescue personnel warnings like the people in N.O. had...

I live in NC in Hurricane Row. We know better than to have a party and ride out a Cat 5 on the beach front. Those people were just stupid. I'm sorry. They are. Cat 2 or 3, depending on your area, is ok. Not a 5. I wouldn't live in NO anyway, but please...Dumb, dumb, dumb.

There are 3 kinds of people in NO.

1. Dead. God bless em, they walked the walk.
2. Water waders. Stupid enough to live 12 feet below sea level, and too stupid to follow the evacuation order. Give them a bus ticket to any city, and tell them to go live where ever the job is for christs sake.
3. Exodus people. Stupid enough to build a house 12 feet below sea level, but at least smart enough to get the kids out of dodge. They don't need a bus ticket, just get a job to feed your family.

But don't give them money to rebuild yet again, why repeat the stupidity again?

"This is our tsunami" they said. Yeah right! It just up and happened and 200,000 people died. I don't think so. You got to look at it on TV for days before it hit. Of course, some people wanted to hang around and loot afterwards. Which they did. Are you going to eat those 20 pairs of jeans you looted or are you going to drink them? Fucking moron. Maybe you'll find a nice dry place to plug in that TV that you stole, mooncalf.

As for the rest of the poor and old not being able to get out - hey, experts have warned for YEARS that New Orleans is vulnerable as it is below sea level and depends on pumps to stay dry. DON'T LIVE THERE!! Real simple. Same reason I don't live on a fault line in CA. You took your gamble, you lost, fuck you and don't cry. Old farts have gotta die of something. Spending all this time, money and resources on some old bats is like running into a burning house to save your 3-day-old fruit.

They won't get a penny of "Hurrican Relief" from me. The govt should let them all starve.

Wow, you're a charmer, Matt.

I bet you get laid a lot, huh?

Actually - quite a bit. My girl thought my it was right on the money. Hey, love it or hate it, those are the facts. Ya can't drink em pretty. I'd love to hear a refutation of the logic. If you're capable.

Things I've learned about New Orleans while watching MSNBC:

1) There are only 4 White People that live in New Orleans. Everyone else is Black.

2) Of all the residents of New Orleans, NOBODY watches "The Weather Channel." Katrina was predicted, a full 5 days in advance, to be a Catagory 4 storm. They warned of complete devastation. Apparently, the people clinging to their rooftops must have been watching Jerry Springer instead of the news.

3) Why didn't you leave?! Why didn't you leave?! Why didn't you leave?! Comments like :" We wanted to see the hurricane coming." and "The traffic was too bad on the Interstates." and "My husband's too stubborn to leave." Is this the Darwin Effect: Nature taking out the truly stupid????

4) "Should we rebuild???" Only if you have a deathwish and can't wait until the next one comes through. Why should MY tax dollars support the rebuilding of a sinking city that's built 8 feet BELOW sea level? Katrina did the area a favor...let the city wash out to sea and build it on HIGH, DRY land!

I'm torn between feeling sorry for the victims and being livid with the victims. I can understand a handful of idiots wanting to stay, but 200,000+ idiots??? I'm glad that I don't live in New Orleans if that's the level of intellegence down there!

More thoughts on New Orleans:

I've been reading a lot of LJ entries these past couple of days, and they seem to fall into one of two catagories:

A) Everyone is to blame because they are poor, black, lazy and live in a hazardous area.

B) Nobody is to blame because of THE MAN (fill in the ____ as to whom YOU think is "The Man." These people have the RIGHT to be taken care of and supported by the U.S. Government.

Why can't there be a "C...That lots of people are to blame and some of them aren't?

I live in Buffalo, New York. We have S.N.O.W. and lots of it. I live here BY CHOICE and take into account that the snow can become life-threatening. There are also people who live here by default, like N.O., because they have settled here 60 years ago and have no money to move or no place to move to.

Every Fall, the Weather Service advices you to have a Preservation Pack that you can carry with you. It includes the following:

1) "Highly un-perishable foods, enough for several days." If you are staying at home, it's recommended to keep a weeks worth of food on hand. These items include: canned tuna in water (water can be drunk); peanut butter; chocolate bars; 6 bottled waters per day, per person. They also recommend that carrot sticks and apples require NO refrigeration for days, so if emergency weather is broadcast, get a bag of each, per person, and it can be combined with the peanut butter for a satisfactory meal. Plus...all of this food (excepting chocolate) FLOATS!

If 1/2 of the 100,000 refugees in N.O. had bought $10.00 worth of water, peanut butter and apples, they wouldn't be dropping dead of starvation!

2) "Change of socks, underwear and two tops." How much space does four pairs of socks and underwear take up??? You can roll them up in a plastic bag and it's smaller than a 1/2 liter of soda. In my emergency bag, I keep a week's worth of underwear and two tops: long and short sleeve.

3) "Batteries/flashlight/radio" Again, one trip to Walmart and for under $20.00, you have ALL of this stuff. I might be stoned for this statement, but if ALL of N.O.'s refugees don't have a TWENTY DOLLAR BILL IN THEIR POCKETS...well, I can't fathom that degree of precariousness.

4) "A baggie with money" Well, I suppose it goes without saying, if you don't have $20 bucks to save your hide, you sure don't have $20.00 bucks to hide away. I have 10-$1.00 bills and a roll of quarters in my Safety Kit. That's good for payphones and vending machines.

5) "Plastic Bags" There are 100's of uses for plastic bags! They can keep you dry, they can cut the wind, they carry found food, protect wet feet, store dirty laundry.

6) "Baggie with paper, pens, pencils, crayons, emergency phone numbers." This baggie takes NO MORE ROOM than a TV Guide, but can make a world of difference. HOw many of us rely, too heavily, on the speed dial of our cell phones, not knowing ANY OF OUR CONTACT NUMBERS, BY HEART??? If phones are lost, or batteries are dead, you still have the numbers and addreses for later (or, if you're found dead, you can have an I.C.E. number for them to call). Paper and pens allow you to take notes, leave notes, amuse yourselves and keep a journal.

7) "Personal Care Items:" A tiny toothbrush, toothpaste, razor, asprins, liquid soap/hand sterilizer, bandaids, spare glasses to read or for the sun, plus sheets of toilet paper, off of the roll. < THIS is what makes life liveable. My girls used to laugh at Mom, saying, "We'll never need this crap!" After they've seen the pictures of children in New Orleans, they are giving me hugs, and feeling safer at night.

All of the 7 items above will fit into the cheapest of cheap backpacks. My kids each have one in their closets and are trained with where to find them. Each time we have a major outbreak of weather, my girls are instructed to bring their backpacks along to soccer practice, grandma's, etc. So, if a flood, blizzard, or tornado wipes us out, we aren't savages, roaming the streets, but people with dignity, if nothing else.

I can no longer count the endless stories of "refugees with nothing on their backs but their clothes." These stories are NOT from people rescued from flooded streams; these stories are from people sitting on their OWN darned roof or having walked to higher ground. If they had had these simple packs ready, they could have assured themselves of health and security.

My children's and my ability to not only take charge of our own lives but also to take responsibility for them, is what makes me angry at the sheer numbers of "victims" in N.O.'s. Understand THIS: I'm sorry for their pain and misery, but, I believe that an easy HALF of these people thought that it would be a heavy rain storm and they didn't need to prepare. DAYS after the event, newscasters still ask victim's "Why didn't you leave? Why didn't you leave?" Most have NO good answer. Some do.

They were so, so wrong in sitting back and allowing the flood waters to bite them in the ass. This wasn't a plane crashing into a high rise..with NO warning; this wasn't a tsunami that happened with NO warning; this wasn't the London bombings...with NO warning. This was preventable, from SO many angles: personal and governmental.

Sad, really.

OK Folks, here's the deal... A victim is a person who finds themselves in an unforseen or sudden situation with an adverse impact. A stupid F*#@ing idiot is someone who sits on their ass and does nothing to help themselves and then complains when they get their ass in a crack. Rescue... Has that become another word for removing the bugs from the pool before you dump the chlorine in? Could we at least steralize these stupid morons so we don't doom future generations to suffer with idiots like these.

It is so HARD to be compassionate AND angry at the same time. As I write this, at 7:32 am on the 4th of September, MSNBC is reporting that rescue workers are having to d.r.a.g. survivors/refugees/evacuees from out of their completely flooded/destroyed homes!!! They aren't there protecting their rotting homes, they are there because said, "I was HERE when Camille came through and I'm staying here through THIS!"

What is WRONG with these people?????? The rescuers are saying that these idiots are young, able-bodied; capable of leaving, but they refuse to do so. They can't wade through the 20 feet of water, they have NO water or food, but they won't leave.

The P.C. part of me wants to help them; the Darwin side of me says "R.I.P., sucka".

I just don't know what to think any more.

I did a fast google of "new orleans stupid" and found this refreshing blog.


I guess I will weigh in.

I really hope that this is a little wake up for the country. The "answer" to poverty of giving checks and "free" this and that has shown its true nature. When you do not teach people how to be responsible for their own lives you just have dependents fo-eva. They sit and wait complaining with the old standard "I want ____! Where is my _____?".

The wonderful community leaders of all stripes yell about "Not getting enough!" on and on ad nauseum.

I am tired of all of it. I am handicapped due to a motor vehicle accident. I am on disability and really appreciate the tiny stipend I get, but, I do not think I should get complete care by any stretch. I get enough to get by, barely. I have to put in some effort.

Screw those lazy bastards standing around "waiting". I did not see one "community leader" stand up on a railing and tell people to calm down and pull toghether. They endlessly milled about "waiting" for someone to "save" them. Sickening.

Where were the pastors? where were the ward leaders? where was the mayor? Out-ta there is the answer. Calling everyone names from some safe little enclave. bitching about not getting enough fast enough.

Shit heads all.

If only the mayor had just lined up 10 good solid persons of which-ever, police, fire, city services, garbage collection even. then given them a bullhorn each and designated them to different areas with a few police to help. How long would that have taken? a few hours to organize. thats all. then have "runners" going to each area to let them know what was going on.


Pickin their ass is what... bitching about Washington "not giving enough".

Never saying: "you know, this is a bowl. this area is not raising but sinking. we have to think of the future so lets start, today, with plans to raise areas of the city or start moving the city. "

The Japanese do it. They build whole damn islands but not "below sea level".

No backups. no contingency plans for the god damn water.

"Oh gee... we lost electric so we cannot communicate... We live in a flood plain and all our equiptment is below sea level but give us a break! we only had years to get ready!"

Fuck you! Every new high rise should have had emergency communications gear with generators and fuel and a plan for a person or persons to maintian it in an emergency. Food and all for at least 5 days. a cop also. every new building should have built that in or no building permit. no problem. no cost to the city. put it on the speculators. Build the cost in...

Little late now idiots..

I still do what needs to be done. I need no hand outs. A little help is always appreciated but I am the first one checking out the emergency exits when I am out getting a bite to eat or sum-such.

I aint "waiting" for someone to push me to safety. I'm out-ta-there...

Ahh... I feel so much better after bitchin...

I think, Darwin in mind of course, we should let those who wish to stay where they are, stay.

There is plenty of water for them to drink and the natural course of things will play out in a week or so.

Disease will take them from this nasty uncaring plain of existance to some wonderful virgin filled (do the ladies out there want virgin fellas? Hmmm... Justa thought...) heaven.

Let the Gods sort em out (So PC... We have to make allowance for all do we not?). They are much better at this than we simple mortals. The sorting part anyhow.

That is one dirty Gene pool down there.

I really like the "they do not have their medication or know what they take". I was ER before I was disabled. Good lord. No shortage of money just endless pissing it away on those who have no desire what-so-ever to care for their own health.

I actually made the little slips of paper with all the medications listed. "keep this with you" I would say. Did they ever keep it? No.
"where is the list of medications I gave you last week?"(and the week before... Funny, they always remember "percocet")

"I dunno..."

Screw em.

Elderly and bad eyes yeah fill their insulin syringes and help em out. Kids too. Teach them to be a little responsible for their health. Give em what they need AND teach them early on about responsibility.

The 290#, soda guzzling, chip eating, renal patients should not get anything except another soda and bag of chips. The big ones.

"my shunt leakin"

Thats because the needle with coke is not made for shunts and cores out a little hole that your heparin laden blood ignores. It just spurts out until you show up here and we show you how to apply pressure... again... and call surgery... again... call dialisis... again...

No blood clottin
So you be blottin
Up da big puddle onna floor

Using your shirt
It covered in dirt
So you dont like it no more

Shedding nary a tear
You steal another
From your own brother
Still you want more and more

"Get me a soda and chips. I want to complain to the supervisor of this hospital. Get me..."

Kurt V. said it best "Take a flying fuck at a doughnut. Take a flying fuck at the moon."

You teach dogs not to "go" in the house using a crate. They do not like to sit next to their own do-do. It may be too late to teach those in NO but that is one big crate.

I hate to waste. Maybe we should just leave it as-is and...

Peace Love Kindness and Understanding to all races faiths and ages. If acting human anyhow. Care and kindness to animals goes without saying.

"Peace Love Kindness and Understanding to all races faiths and ages"

LOLOLOL - THAT at the end of one of the most bigoted, nasty, hate-filled, self-serving diatribes I've ever seen. You may think you're a Christian, but Jesus would have smote you in His time for expressing such foul sentiment from a dark, dank, rotted heart.

May you and your family members, FEMA officials and President "all I can do are photo-ops" Bush be airlifted into NO and dropped in the water.

Unlike you, I would happily try to rescue all of the above. Just give it a week or so.

You can't face that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT f'd up, yet again. Newsflash: if the levee had been taken out with a terror attack, or if another terror attack left you stranded without good water or a roof, you are seeing exactly what would become of you and yours.

Because you can't handle the truth that your leader was out playing guitar and attending to yet another pressing "vacayshun" (the most vacations of any President) he plain old dropped the ball. And so you will blame anyone and everyone else.

Fortunately, most people are not that blind.

Yeah it's all the government's fault. If you believe that your're an idiot.

Those jackasses still won't leave. Fuckin' aaa.

Here are the facts:

A hurricane is coming. We ain't leaving.
It's a Category 5. We ain't leaving.
The levees will break. We ain't leaving.
The levees broke. We ain't leaving.
Thousands have died. We ain't leaving.
Looters and criminals are shootin' up the joint. We ain't leaving. The water is totally contaminated. We ain't leaving.

At this point we should break the rest of the levees and wipe
out the rest of these assholes.

I am really tired of hearing that the government didn’t respond faster during this disaster. These people blame the government for everything that goes wrong in their lives. They should have left N.O. I wonder how many of the people that are relocated in various cities around the country (including mine) were already on government help. I think it is time for these "poor" people to take their lives into their own hands and go back to N.O. and fix the city themselves. Why don’t they become the volunteers. I watch the news and see these people getting free food, housing, and good jobs just because people in my community feel sorry for them. The only people I can respect are the police and firefighters who lost everything but are still there trying to save what is left of their community.

It is a shame that America has turned into a country of people that think that the government should care for the poor and lazy. What is going to happen when we get attacked again. I am afraid to see what happens next.

May god help us all.

Why didnt the hospitals evacuate? They werent prepared either. We can put the dumb hospitals in our dumb ass darwin list. I wonder when this happens to florida if Jeb would get all the resources he needs right away?

Hey Mosquito... check out this SOS request for resources by Governor of Louisiana on 28th, the day before the storm hit. Bush didnt respond until until Sept 9. http://gov.louisiana.gov/Disaster%20Relief%20Request.pdf

Now the hurricanes are hovering over Florida...how much you want to bet Bush is going to repond a lot faster to Jeb's cry for help?

PC...In no way am I saying that Bush is a good president. We have high gas prices because of him (he is a Texas oil man that makes $$$ when prices go up). Good people die everyday in Iraq because of him. I am sure that he will help make his brother look good when Florida gets hit hard by the next storms.

I just don't think that the government is responsible for the people. These people should have left N.O. ASAP. Look at how many people died because they didn't listen. After 9/11 the American people should have realized that we need to take care of ourselves. We need to have emergency supplies. More importantly we need to know that when we are told to evacuate, we better do it fast. What would have happened if someone bombed the levees?? I bet the people would have left in a hurry.

We can not go on believing that we are going to be taken care of. Life is not a game. You only get one shot at it and you can not leave that to the government.

I never knew that so many low lifes existed in New Orleans. That city is and will always be a piss pot and those lazy ass good for nothing savages are a total disgrace to the country. Now they're bringing em in by the bus loads to my area so they can have a nice place to live, new clothes, have job opportunities, all kinds of assistance. When all is said and done this hurricane was the best thing that ever happened to a lot of these shiftless, scummy people!

This was just emialed to me. It is a little long but worth the read.

Author: by Robert Tracinski

An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the Man-Made Disaster of the Welfare State

by Robert Tracinski Sep 02, 2005

It took four long days for state and federal officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it also took me four long days to figure out what was going on there. The reason is that the events there make no sense if you think that we are confronting a natural disaster.

If this is just a natural disaster, the response for public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water, and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to stop the flooding and rebuild the city's infrastructure.

For journalists, natural disasters also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary people pulling together to survive; the hard work and dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.

Public officials did not expect that the first thing they would have to do is to send thousands of armed troops in armored vehicle, as if they are suppressing an enemy insurgency. And journalists—myself included—did not expect that the story would not be about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape, murder, and looting.

But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made disaster.

The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This is where just about every newspaper and television channel has gotten the story wrong.

The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New Orleans did not happen over four days last week. It happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina merely exposed it to public view.

The man-made disaster is the welfare state.

For the past few days, I have found the news from New Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as you would expect them to behave in an emergency—indeed, they were not behaving as they have behaved in other emergencies.

That is what has shocked so many people: they have been saying that this is not what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even what we expect from a Third World country.

When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise to the occasion. They work together to rescue people in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep order and solve problems. This is especially true in America.

We are an enterprising people, used to relying on our own initiative rather than waiting around for the government to take care of us.

I have seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response of New Yorkers to September 11).

So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?

To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going on, here is a description from a Washington Times story:

"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out; corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue helicopters are repeatedly fired on.

"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop the looting, carjackings and gunfire....

"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300 Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.

" 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot and kill and they are more than willing to do so if necessary and I expect they will.' "

The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that accompanies this article shows a SWAT team with rifles and armored vests riding on an armored vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from Sadr City in Baghdad.

What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery, and rape?

What causes unruly mobs to storm the very buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the drivers to speed away, frightened for their lives?

What causes people to attack the doctors trying to treat patients at the Superdome?

Why are people responding to natural destruction by causing further destruction? Why are they attacking the people who are trying to help them?

My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured it out on a sense-of-life level.

While watching the coverage one night on Fox News Channel, she told me that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago, which is located in the South Side of Chicago just blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the largest high-rise public housing projects in America.

"The projects," as they were known, were infamous for uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They have since, mercifully, been demolished.)

What Sherri was getting from last night's television coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the projects."

Then the "crawl"—the informational phrases flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news channels—gave some vital statistics to confirm this sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already evacuated before the hurricane, and of those who remained, a large number were from the city's public housing projects.

Jack Wakeland then told me that early reports from CNN and Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating all of the prisoners in the city's jails—so they just let them loose.

[Update: I have been searching for news reports on this last story, but I have not been able to confirm it. Instead, I have found numerous reports about the collapse of the corrupt and incompetent New Orleans Police Department.]

There is no doubt a significant overlap between these two populations--that is, a large number of people in the jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice versa.

There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New Orleans when the deluge hit—but they were trapped alongside large numbers of people from two groups: criminals—and wards of the welfare state, people selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative and self-induced helplessness.

The welfare wards were a mass of sheep—on whom the incompetent administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of wolves.

All of this is related, incidentally, to the incompetence of the city government, which failed to plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the knowledge that this might be necessary.

In a city corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare recipients and patronage to political supporters—not to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of emergency.

No one has really reported this story, as far as I can tell.

In fact, some are already actively distorting it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had drafted an adequate evacuation plan.

The worst example is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail, by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on American "individualism."

But the truth is precisely the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that was the exact opposite of individualism.

What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological consequences of the welfare state. What we consider "normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is normal for people who have values and take the responsibility to pursue and protect them.

People with values respond to a disaster by fighting against it and doing whatever it takes to overcome the difficulties they face. They don't sit around and complain that the government hasn't taken care of them. And they don't use the chaos of a disaster as an opportunity to prey on their fellow men.

But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do they worry about saving their houses and property? They don't, because they don't own anything.

Do they worry about what is going to happen to their businesses or how they are going to make a living? They never worried about those things before.

Do they worry about crime and looting? Living off of stolen wealth is a way of life for them.

People living in piles of their own trash, while petulantly complaining that other people aren't doing enough to take care of them and then shooting at those who come to rescue them—this is not just a description of the chaos at the Superdome. It is a perfect summary of the 40-year history of the welfare state and its public housing projects.

The welfare state—and the brutish, uncivilized mentality it sustains and encourages—is the man-made disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one is reporting.

You people suck. I am closing these comments.


I have no ill feeling for the people who used to live in N.O. I have even volunteered my time to do what I can to make their life a little less stressful. I do how ever dislike how they live. Before a few days ago it was no concern of mine. Now that they are moving into our communities it is a big concern.

Right now the people of America feel really bad about what happened to the folk of N.O. Think about what is going to happen in 1..2...or 3 months from now. I think the American people are going to forget all about them. That’s what we do. When something catastrophic happens we are really quick to lend a hand. After we fell like the Good Samaritan we just want them to go away.

Are they going to all have jobs, housing and the other necessities of life? I don't think so. Are they going to be happy living with 600 other people at a stadium? I really don't think so. What are these people going to do out of desperation? I am afraid to see.

I would like the think that they will do what they can to integrate into life here and become productive members of society.