what the world needs now is a music poll
greatest rock and roll songwriters of all time
Busy, busy day today. Besides the whole mood like black grunge thing I have going on. Hey, let's take our minds elsewhere for a bit, ok? Let's get into a controversial ranking of musical icons in which some of us will end up wanting to strangle others because, dude, the Stones just weren't that great.
Anyhow.
I came across Paul's post on the best rock songwriter's of all time (ok, so I read it last week) and I meant to write something about it, but I just haven't gotten around to it.
Well, that's what you're here for. If you guys come up with a list of the greatest rock song writers of all time, I will write about the top, oh, ten or so. Depending on my mood this week. I'll even offer up some song downloads. And maybe a final poll. Unless the winners are going to end up being McCartney/Lennon, because I just won't abide by that.
I'm just saying, though, that Difford and Tilbrook better make the cut.
So, greatest rock and roll songwriters of ALL TIME. Go.
Comments
(Jerry) Leiber and (Mike) Stoller (#4 on the original list). The depth will astound you, and the linked page is only a smidgeon of their output.
Posted by: norbizness | March 22, 2005 03:55 PM
Elvis Costello needs to be in top five IMHO.
Posted by: Johnny the Brain | March 22, 2005 04:03 PM
.....and Jakob (sp?) Dylan needs to be in top 100 (in my version of the world).
Posted by: Johnny the Brain | March 22, 2005 04:06 PM
I know I'm all "old-school" (or maybe just old) but how about Bernie Taupin? Or would he fall under best "Pop" songwriter? Ok then, how's about Jim Steinman?
Sheesh! How old AM I??
Posted by: Buzz | March 22, 2005 04:10 PM
In no order but needing to make cut:
Paul Westerberg
Jeff Hyman, John Cummings, Douglas Colvin, T. Erdelyi, Marc Bell
Pete Townshend
Ray Davies
Andy Partridge
Robert Pollard
Robyn Hitchcock
Brian Wilson
Chuck Berry
Warren Zevon
Nick Lowe
Bob Mould
Pete Shelley
Posted by: Drew | March 22, 2005 04:18 PM
i think the greatest in rock and roll are the Beatles and Oasis. There just pure class... no if's and's or but's about it
Posted by: Laura | March 22, 2005 04:58 PM
Lou Reed.
David Bowie
David Byrne
Posted by: spd rdr | March 22, 2005 05:04 PM
Well, it's hard to call it a "greatest" list and complain at getting a lot of conventional choices. But I gotta stand up here for Springsteen near the top of any list:
Blinded by the Light
Fire
Because the Night
The Fever
From Small Things (Big Things One Day Come)
Hearts Of Stone
Light Of Day
Pink Cadillac
Trapped
Streets of Philadelphia
And those are just some of the throwaways, songs for movie scores, songs other people had bigger hits with, etc. (See this frighteningly comprehensive list of covers). How many artists could put out a four-CD compilation of songs that didn't make their albums, and have most of it be high-quality stuff?
Chuck Berry should get honorable mentoon too, although Chuck only wrote one or two tunes and then just re-worked them endlessly, and while he wrote some memorable phrases his lyrics mostly weren't special.
Posted by: Crank | March 22, 2005 05:45 PM
Pete Townshend
Andy Partridge
Joe Strummer/Mick Jones
Iggy Pop
Bowie
Lennon/McCartney
Chrissy Hynde
and if Dave Davies isn't on it, it ain't worth a misspelled carp.
Posted by: jon | March 22, 2005 06:13 PM
Would definitely second Costello, Townshend, Brian Wilson, and Difford and Tillbrook. Will pretend did not see overblown praises of Springsteen being sung in blog of woman who hates same.
As for Oasis, I'm with Lyle: Don't write any songs.
Posted by: ilyka | March 22, 2005 06:29 PM
Without thinking about it too much, here's my top dozen, not in order:
Bruce Springsteen
Paul Westerberg
Jagger/Richards
Lennon/McCartney
Lieber/Stoller
Chuck Berry/Johnnie Johnson (uncredited)
Buddy Holly
John Fogerty
Bob Dylan
Caffey/Schock/Valentine/Wiedlin (Go-Go's)
Brian Wilson
Sam Cooke
Honorable Mention - John Mellencamp
Future Possibilities - Kim Shattuck (The Muffs), Billie Joe Armstrong (Green Day)
Posted by: MikeR | March 22, 2005 06:40 PM
No friggin mention of Todd that I can see,DQ's the wjhole shebang for me
Posted by: mbruce | March 22, 2005 06:58 PM
Paul Stanley . I mean, how can you argue with these lyrics:
No place for hidin' baby
No place to run
You pulled the trigger of my
Love gun.
Posted by: Slartibartfast | March 22, 2005 06:59 PM
Roger Waters
Posted by: Dave in Texas | March 22, 2005 07:13 PM
McCartney (screw Lennon)
Paul Simon (ditto Artie G.)
Ian Brown/John Squire
Morressey/Marr
Posted by: Jeff R. | March 22, 2005 07:17 PM
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Ben Folds. "Battle of Who Could Care Less" is one of the most cynical songs ever written. Billy Joel probably belongs on the list. More pop than rock but evocative as hell and the old Piano Man stuff holds up well.
Peter Gabriel wrote some damn good songs as did Zappa, once you get past the pretension and orchestral meanderings.
I gotta give Eminem a nod too. I'm not real big on the misogyny and the quasi-gangsta styling, but damn, that boy can turn a phrase.
Best? That's an impossible question but if I could take the sum of any songwriters work with me to the island, I'd have to go with Dylan. I'm hard pressed to think of anyone with a catalogue as varied and extensive as Dylan's.
Posted by: Al | March 22, 2005 08:40 PM
I want to second (third? tenth?) Bowie. Especially considering the stuff he wrote for other performers.
And just for laughs, I'm throwing in Syd Vicious.
Posted by: francisthegreat | March 22, 2005 08:49 PM
Bernie Taupin
Paul Simon
Lennon/McCartney
Jackson Browne
Todd Rundgren
Roger Waters
Robert Smith
Posted by: dave | March 22, 2005 09:28 PM
Two sets of people that have not been mentioned: Robert Plant/Jimmy Page; and Eddie Vedder.
Posted by: j,d. | March 22, 2005 09:32 PM
Eddie Vedder isn't a set of people.
Posted by: dave | March 22, 2005 09:39 PM
Making these lists is like eating a bunch of grapes. You start by picking the best, and you end by picking them all.
Posted by: The Sanity Inspector | March 22, 2005 10:08 PM
madonna! hahaha.
Posted by: BlkMktBabyDealer | March 22, 2005 10:29 PM
Tom Waits
Otherwise...what's the point?
Posted by: Timmer | March 22, 2005 10:45 PM
Well, Tom Waits did write that song for Rod Stewart.
I'm going to hell for that.
Posted by: jon | March 22, 2005 11:03 PM
And I know it's cool to hate them these days, but I have to make a stand for Bono from U2.
One reason...just One.
Posted by: Timmer | March 22, 2005 11:10 PM
Nike Drake
Jim Croche
Gillian Welch
Billy Bragg
Sting
Stuart Murdoch (Belle and Sebastian)
Posted by: Bassett | March 22, 2005 11:15 PM
Uh, j.d., Robert Plant and Jimmy Page didn't write half the songs they claimed to. But this guy did:
The person who wrote many of the best late-60's blues based hard rock songs was . . .
ROBERT JOHNSON!
And he recorded them in 1936 and 1937. Zep stole several of his songs, with nary a credit. Fortunately, the Stones, Cream/Eric Clapton, and even Foghat gave him his due credit.
OK, if ya wanna get more contemporary, you can't ignore Prince, Bowie, Dylan, the Glimmer Twins (Yes, damnit!!!), Cake, Smashing Pumpkins, The Spice Girls (ok, it's time for bed)
Posted by: MarkAase | March 23, 2005 01:59 AM
Jimmy Buffett
/Hey he DID write "Why don't we get drunk and screw."
Posted by: mr lawson | March 23, 2005 02:10 AM
Justin Hayward
John Lodge
Ray Thomas
Teams:
Justin Hayward/John Lodge
Justin Hayward/Ray Thomas
Justin Hayward/Graeme Edge
John Lodge/Graeme Edge
Ray Thomas/Graeme Edge
Posted by: Alan Kellogg | March 23, 2005 06:43 AM
John/Taupin
Jim Steinman
Coverdale
Page/Plant
Tommy Shaw
Bruce Dickinson/Steve Harris
Roger Waters
Osbourne/Iommi
Osbourne/Wylde
Dream Theatre
Queensryche
Robert Johnson
Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge | March 23, 2005 07:03 AM
Old School:
Carl Perkins
Buddy Holly
Chuck Berry
Posted by: spd rdr | March 23, 2005 07:39 AM
Oh HELL yeah, Buddy Holly.
Posted by: Timmer | March 23, 2005 07:57 AM
Lennon/Macca (Doesn't matter how Beatlephobic you are... There is no counter argument to "In My Life." It is the kung fu vibrating palm secret death blow.)
Andy Partridge
Warren Zevon
John Woloschuk
John Fogerty
Ginger of the Wildhearts
The original Alice Cooper lineup/collective
Mark Mothersbaugh/Gerald Casale
Brian Wilson
Posted by: WarrenM | March 23, 2005 08:20 AM
Taupin/John (but nothing they did seperately)
Peart/Lifeson/Lee
Steinman
Townsend
Collins/Van Zandt (Lynyrd Skynyrd)
Ian Anderson
Posted by: JAB | March 23, 2005 08:40 AM
Just to add my two cents:
I second Zappa
Chilton/Bell
Smokey Robinson (yeah, rock and roll, in the early days)
Tyler/Perry
Neil Young
...and Tom Waits didn't write that song for Rod Stewart. He wrote it for himself (for "Rain Dogs") and Stewart went and f*$!ed it all up.
Posted by: Johno | March 23, 2005 09:35 AM
Harry Neilson
Posted by: jack12 | March 23, 2005 09:53 AM
I'm going to have to throw in Elvis Costello, Paul Westerberg, andJagger/Richards (once upon a time), though they've been mentioned before.
I'll add Strummer/Jones, and Graham Parker.
Posted by: Adam | March 23, 2005 11:52 AM
Tandem writers only:
Page/Plant
Strummer/Jones
Difford/Tillbrook
Boyce/Hart
Posted by: TC | March 23, 2005 12:17 PM
Lennon/Mcartny
Jagger/Richards
Strummer/Jones
Difford/Tillbrook
Elvis Costello
Warren Zevon
John/Taupin
Posted by: JoeB | March 23, 2005 12:25 PM
1. Yes, I know Michele hates Bruce. He still deserves the honor.
2. Robert Johnson certainly deserves a nod.
3. Best songwriter who has a real blog: John Perry Barlow, who teamed with Bob Weir to write some fine songs for the Dead.
Posted by: Crank | March 23, 2005 12:49 PM
Right on, Michele.
Difford & Tilbrook
Neil Finn
Fagen & Becker
Aimee Mann
Nick Lowe
Warren Zevon
Paul Westerberg
Andy Partridge
Elvis Costello
Posted by: DrSteve | March 23, 2005 02:44 PM
Lennon/McCartney
Jagger/Richards
Pete Townsend
Greg Allman and co.
Van Halen/Roth
Elvis Costello
Bono/Edge
Sly Stone
Tillbrook/Dillford*
And some honorable mentions Ramones (not sure who wrote all their songs though, but they are some all time best rockers, Andy Partridge, but not sure how "rock" that is, Todd Rundgren and I am sure I will think of more when it's too late.
Posted by: Dawn | March 23, 2005 02:51 PM
Townsend
Lennon/McCarthy
Bowie
Fogerty
Jagger/Richards
Schenker
Ramone(s)
Ozzy
Alice Cooper
Costello
Posted by: Bennett | March 23, 2005 03:36 PM
Two from the past 10-15 years who I think craft a small world in each song, even though they probably don't fall into your intent of rock:
Liz Phair
Lucinda Williams
And from my favorite group, even though they wrote separate songs, they amplified each other:
Bob Mould/Grant Hart
Posted by: Chrees | March 23, 2005 03:51 PM
Neil Fallon
Posted by: aShogunNamedMarcus | March 23, 2005 03:59 PM
Two words: Paul Weller
Listening to the Jam makes me glad I grew up in the USA.
Posted by: MrZenith | March 23, 2005 04:31 PM
(1) Springsteen
(2) Cobain (don't like their music, and he can't sing or play his damn instrument, but he sure as hell could write songs)
(3) Osbourne
(4) Axl Rose (I know we just had a discussion about this, but come on there were some gems there)
(5) Neil Diamond (remember he wasn't always easy listening)
(6) I don't like the Stones either Michele, but I don't see how you leave them off this list...
(7) metallica definitely deserves mention.
Posted by: bogeyman | March 23, 2005 05:41 PM
NOT Lennon/McCartney, together or seperately...
Crosby, Stills, Nash, Young
Taupin, John
Fish
Rundgren
U2
Ray Charles
Posted by: flaime | March 23, 2005 08:45 PM
all the standards:
Page/Plant
John/Taupin
Lennon/McCartney
the Glimmer Twins
Difford & Tilbrook
Townshend
Bono/Edge
and my dark horse picks:
Ramones
Iggy Pop
the dudes in The Presidents Of The USA
Bryan Ferry /Roxy
Andy Shernoff / The Dictators
Davies Brothers / Kinks
Posted by: Wass | March 23, 2005 09:32 PM
Mark Knopfler
Posted by: Rob | March 23, 2005 10:11 PM
Other than the obvious (Lennon/McCartney, Jagger/Richard, Townshend, Page/Plant, Chuck Berry) I'd vote for the following:
Brian Wilson
Jeff Barry / Ellie Greenwich
Barry Mann / Cynthia Weill
Posted by: The Proprietor | March 23, 2005 10:39 PM
Ooh, second Knopfler. And, raiding Wass' dark-horse picks, the Ramones and the Davies brothers.
Posted by: ilyka | March 23, 2005 10:50 PM
Also Bob Seger.
Posted by: Rob | March 23, 2005 10:54 PM
I third Knopfler
Posted by: Dave in Texas | March 23, 2005 11:34 PM
I haven't read every one of the nominations, so these are just my thoughts. But I agree with you about Difford/Tillbrook. Also Joe Strummer.
Others:
R.E.M.
Whoever wrote the Rolling Stones classics
Bob Dylan
Bob Mould
Paul Westerberg
Ani DiFranco
Steve Earle
Frank Black
They Might Be Giants
Simon and/or Garfunkel
Van Morrison
Posted by: bryan | March 24, 2005 12:03 AM
Lennon and McCartney
Bob Dylan
John Fogerty
Raymond Douglas Davies
Pete Townshend
Mick Jagger/Keith Richards
Bruce Springsteen
Posted by: Doug | March 24, 2005 12:11 AM
Let us not forget THE BAND. Some of the greatest songs written, like The Weight, Stagefright, The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down ...
Posted by: Vicky | March 24, 2005 02:17 AM
I think Doc Pomus should be included. And yes I know I am showing my age.
Posted by: winnie | March 24, 2005 02:30 AM
Jarvis Cocker
Posted by: jon | March 24, 2005 09:54 AM
Sorry I'm late... here are ones I don't think have been mentioned:
Patti Smith
Lou Reed
David Bowie
David Byrne
John Fogerty
Collins/Rossington/Van Zant
Posted by: Solonor | March 24, 2005 09:54 AM
Well, I don't know that I won't be adding anyone that hasn't already, but my top whatever.....
Yeah, the Gibbs did a lot of disco, but they also wrote a lot for other artists before they started recording their own stuff. I was torn between Cash and some of the other country greats (Willie Nelson, Hank Williams, etc.), but went with the Man in Black because he's also covered NIN and Joy Division (his version of Personal Jesus has to be heard to be believed. It's fantastic.....).
And Burt because he, much like the brothers Gibb (sounds like a demented fairytale thing, no?) wrote the songs that everyone else sang.
Posted by: Mike | March 24, 2005 10:00 AM
Add Holland/Dozier/Holland, please.
Posted by: Dan | March 24, 2005 10:13 AM
The songwriters in Judas Priest as well.
Posted by: Andrew Ian Dodge | March 24, 2005 12:40 PM
Don Henley
Tom Petty
Bob Dylan
George Harrison
Sheryl Crow (yes, Sheryl Crow.)
Posted by: CraigC | March 24, 2005 01:57 PM
Trent Reznor - without a doubt
Posted by: Monica | March 24, 2005 04:33 PM
Beck!
Posted by: Hollywood_Freaks | March 24, 2005 04:38 PM
Ryan F___n Adams. 'Nough said.
Posted by: mooncricket | March 24, 2005 09:55 PM
*Lennon/McCartney
*Harrison
*Jagger/Richards
*Cobain
*Bowie
*Lou Reed
*Patti Smith
*Pete Townshend
*Johnny Cash
*Bob Dylan
*Syd Barret
Posted by: Ashleighhhhhhhh | March 27, 2005 06:29 AM
PLEASE ADD:
Holland/Dozier/Holland
Steve Winwood/Tim Lord Algae
Hall 'n Oats
Fats Domino
Elanis Morisette
Gwen Stephani
Posted by: Paul Groben | March 30, 2005 11:43 AM
JEFF LYNNE (ELO,WILBURYS)
TOM PETTY
ERIC CLAPTON.... HELLO
i see a lot of john & paul but george harrison was no slouch
BOB DYLAN
BOB MARLEY
Posted by: JOHN SOMMA | September 17, 2005 11:02 PM
First of all, you all have fine picks (with the exception of Cobain, my opinion), however if you use the ratio of songs written to hit songs(writers version or not), then the winner hands down and by a landslide margin is...William (Smokey) Robinson, over 3000 songs written and nearly half have been covered more than once and been in the top 20 countdowns. The runner up is ...well, well, we have a tie of sorts...Between John/Taupin and a Mr William Joel, who'd a thunk it? Now this list is not to say that they write the best songs, no , it only means that they write songs that catch the public's ear at that time period..ie remember that big hit "Candle in the Wind", when it first came out? How about after Princess Di's death? See my point?
My personal favorite song writers compose songs that have melodies that stick in your head for days and lyrics that can be interpreted many ways....
DILFORD/TILBROOK--Squeeze
Posted by: johnny O | September 18, 2005 04:09 PM