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Girls Just Wanna Have Fun

The questions I asked of you last night were part of my reaction to this article in yesterday's National Review: Is the Y Chromosome for Yuks?

The piece was written by Warren Bell, " a 15-year veteran of the sitcom business." (his IMDB page)

Here's the premise in a nutshell:

Are women as innately funny as men?.... ...Okay, men are funnier. Way funnier. Not even close. Male writers, male actors, male stand-up comedians. All funnier.

My first reaction was to attack the article on its face. Men funnier than women by default? How dare you! However, I realized two things after reading the article again - first, that I do find men - in the arena of the entertainment industry - funnier than women and also that the chromosome premise isn't really what bothered me about the piece.

See, Bell starts off on a scientific bent, but then descends into something else entirely, mainly dividing men and women into what they perceive to be funny. Which is a lot different than being funny.

I asked the questions of my readers last night because I was speaking to a friend about this and he reminded me that I'm not your typical women, so for me to get flustered about lines like:

Okay, show of hands: How many girls memorized all the dialogue from Monty Python and the Holy Grail when they were 14? No one? Not a surprise

didn't mean that those words are an affront to all women. Yet, out of all the women who answered the questions and, knowing the comedic favorites of my female friends and family members, most of us can recite dialogue from the Holy Grail.

Bell then makes an argument against genetics and claims that men need to be funny. It's important to them. Why? For the attention, of course:

A good sense of humor is never going to compete with a 90-mph fastball in terms of babe appeal, but it's a better path to alpha-male status than, oh, say, learning to program a Radio Shack TRS-80 home computer.

Young women, on the other hand, have no need for the funny:

Young girls who want attention have other weapons they can scream, they can cry, they can grow breasts. They can be heartbreakingly beautiful and call me a nerd for imitating the Coneheads all the time. Learning to be funny would seem, for girls, to be more of a last resort.

I have news for Warren. An ugly girl with breasts is, well, an ugly girl with breasts. And no D cup in the world is going to make a guy pay attention to a girl with a face that only her mother could love. But that's a whole other story, isn't it?

After a few paragraphs spent denigrating women, their sense of humor and their capability to be funny, he goes on to make the typical "but some of my best friends are funny women" comment, then slams the brakes on that (before he goes overboard and gets made fun of by his Boys Only Club, I guess) and turns the other way:

Also, a writer's room filled only with men can descend quickly into pagan rites, the days and nights wasted with Nerf dart gun wars, discussions and demonstrations of bodily functions, and endless mind-numbing recitations of entire scenes from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. And as lovely as that sounds to the 14-year-old still very much alive in me, I need to remember that the women in the audience will not be impressed.

You are wrong, Warren. Wrong, wrong, wrong.

It seems to me that Mr. Bell has a rather archaic view of women, in that he sees us as prim, proper, easily offended. We giggle politely at jokes about periods and ex-boyfriends (but not too hard, guffawing isn't lady like) and those funny birthing baby stories, but we avert our eyes and cover our ears when someone makes a fart joke and stifle a yawn at Monty Python humor.

Are men funnier? Perhaps. But just because the male of the species can tell the joke better, doesn't mean that women won't get or laugh at those jokes. I think it's a matter of upbringing, not genetics, that make us laugh at the things we do. Nurture, not nature, so to speak.

I was brought up in a family where humor played a big role. I think I told my first fart joke at age two. I could dish out the worst of the worst puns by four. By the time I finished grade school, my sense of dark, black humor had been honed to a fine point. The movies we watched, the jokes my father told, the things my parents laughed at - they all had a role in defining what I laugh at today. I like my humor dark, sarcastic, caustic. I also like it subtle and dry, depending on the situation.

So, sense of humor: nature or nurture? Am I this way despite being a girl, or in spite of being a girl?

As for Mr. Bell, I fart in his general direction.


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I'm not sure this is the best forum to even debate this, because as female bloggers, we're predisposed to be geeks. I'd bet that 75% of the women who read this entry can quote from Monty Python. (Which is a good thing.)

A good sense of humor is never going to compete with a 90-mph fastball in terms of babe appeal

I so have to disagree with this part. Despite my love of baseball (much as I try to hate major league), I have never lusted after a pitcher. Now, Bill Hicks on the other hand... {pant} Then again, I can program a TRS-80 computer, so I'm obviously the wrong girl to ask.

A good sense of humor is never going to compete with a 90-mph fastball in terms of babe appeal

I meant to address that issue as well. I definitely prefer a guy with a good sense of humor over a guy who can pitch

A guy who can tell a good joke - or laugh at the same kind of joke as me - gets much farther on the sexy scale than a jock.

The whole problem with saying "Nature or Nuture?" is that the way in which you are nutured is MOST OFTEN a result of your nature. You know, blue for boys, pink for girls, trucks for boys, dolls for girls; Cosmo vs Maxim, softball vs baseball. Even if someone's parents raised them without predisposing them to be overtly one way or the other, the larger and often more powerful social tide tends to at least influence our emotional and psychological growth - especially when you talk about how people see themselves fitting into the spectrum of society. Nuture is to some extent born of Nature.

Mr. Bell's mother was a hampster and his father smelt of elderberries.

I think he has a general point, but takes it too far. My wife has a great sense of humor, but doesn't always appreciate male "toilet humor". American Pie for example, would not be her cup of tea. The Importance of Being Earnest she loves (as do I). The real point is that guys, like little boys, find almost everything funny. Women often find some things to just be crude, most beer commericals will fit that category.

I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of. I rely on women to be (on average) more civilized than their male counterparts. I mean, should smashing a fruit be funny? Not really. Clever, witty humor seems to appeal more to women. That's a mark in their favor.

Also of note - Mr. Bells Shows (Coach, The Good Life, Ellen, Life's Work, The PJ's, Off Centre, What I Like About You, According to Jim) all pretty much suck ass. If this little thesis of his is based on his body of work, then it doesn't really lends itself as strong evidence that his opinion is correct. Jaggass.

I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of. I rely on women to be (on average) more civilized than their male counterparts. I mean, should smashing a fruit be funny? Not really. Clever, witty humor seems to appeal more to women. That's a mark in their favor.

So what does that say about me - and other women like me - that go for typical "guy" humor? Are we less civilized? Less clever or witty?

I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of

No one should be ashamed of their sense of humor, just as no one should be shamed for their sense of humor.

Michele, every woman I have known likes some "guy humor", but they eventually hit a point where it stops being funny. (This happens to most guys as well.) There's a wide spectrum, it's a quality like any other quality, that will either make you more or less appealing, depending on the guy. You're plenty clever and witty from what I've read, you don't lose any of that by finding other things funny as well.

You said: "I like my humor dark, sarcastic, caustic. I also like it subtle and dry, depending on the situation." Neither of those exactly equate to enjoyment of the Miller Lite catfight commerical.

"And no D cup in the world is going to make a guy pay attention to a girl with a face that only a mother could love. . . ." Oh, I don't know about that. D cups alone, of course, aren't any guarantee: A pair of Ds attached to a 300 pound body sure isn't going to do it for me; but an otherwise "beauty-challenged" woman with a centerfold type body would certainly get my attention. And if she were smart with a good sense of humor (and one often seems to follow the other), I'd certainly give her at least a tumble.

My son is well indoctrinated into what happens when he pulls my finger you bloody English Kniggit.

That said, your 'nurture vs. nature' argument is wrong. Noam Chomsky (and the only time I will ever claim he is right about anything is on matters of linguistics) has proven that pleasure and expressions of it like laughing are hardwired into our brains.

Neither of those exactly equate to enjoyment of the Miller Lite catfight commerical.

If you think they are trying to sell you Miller Lite through humor it those commercials, you are one naive man.

Humor is not spelled T-I-T-S.

The man obviously didn't use my kids in his study. My son is waaaaaay more into quick wit and dry humor (it's not what he says, but the way he says it), while my daughter is more into slapstick and physical humor (she is the toilet humor queen in these parts).

However, I think we need to stop any further discussion of fart jokes. No one enjoys a good fart joke more than I do... except perhaps for my wife... and some of her friends... oh, yes and Michele. Come to think of it, most people enjoy a good fart joke more than I do, but that's beside the point!

I agree on the Catfight commercial, but there are guys who also found it funny. Perhaps it's a bad example of the genre because of the T&A element. There are many beer commercials where humor is the intent, including the current "referee" versions.

My point is, what's your breaking point? At what point does something stop being funny and become juvenile, gross, or just plain stupid?

My wife is kind of like you in that she seems to have gotten more than the average share of "male" tendencies. However, I find where she, and most women who are "one of the guys" draws the line is:

The Three Stooges.

I've NEVER met a woman who "gets" them; at least not in the same way most guys "get" them. It's primal, I think. The other day, I was at my father's house, and the Stooges just happened to be on. All the men and boys stopped whatever they were doing and sat down in front of the TV. There we were, 3 generations of Southern boys, belly laughing at routines most of us had seen a hundred times. Our wives & sisters stood there and shook their heads. It occurred to me then that an anthropologist would have a heyday with us on that particular day.

Slat hit the nail on the head.

I do not get the Three Stooges.

Thanks Slat, that's a perfect example of the point I was trying (and failing) to make.

At what point does something stop being funny and become juvenile, gross, or just plain stupid?

Three Stooges is not gross and I can't really call it juvenile, because I do like a lot of juvenile humor. Stupid? To me, it is. And that's not a male/female thing. I know plenty of males who think slapstick like that is stupid, and plenty of females who go crazy for it.

Which all goes toward my end goal of proving that sense of humor is not determined by your chromosome set.

I've NEVER liked the 3 Stooges. THERE is a dead-on difference. I like "male humor" but I don't think I find it as uproariously funny as my husband does. I bet every man finds the "fart scene" in "Blazing Saddles" funny - but women would be more divided.

Generally, though, I prefer more subdued/subtle humor. But not because I'm a slave to manners or "good taste." My hubby and I make fart jokes all the time. But, really - any idiot can make a fart joke.

Michele, I agree to a point. However, the exceptions kind of prove the rule. We all know women who like guy stuff, and we all know men who blubber over chick flicks. But these are notable because they are different from the norm. I like to cook and clean. That doesn't mean that the statement "Most men don't like to cook and clean" is not true. I revel in my wierdness.

But then again, my favorite comedian was always Galagher (sp) (and I always stopped the tape BEFORE the fruit smashing). NO OTHER HUMAN BEING I know thinks he was funny. But I am still quite human.

BTW, Galagher asked the most profound question I've ever heard:

If your knees bent the other way, what would a chair look like?

Bell has a point, as long as you don't overstate it. I do think people fail to consider this when they complain about the profusion of fat guy/hot wife shows, since the fat guy is almost always a professional standup comic or veteran comic actor, and the hot wife is usually, at best, a good "straight man."

But I'm surprised you went after Bell and not after John Debyshire's posts on women not getting "The Big Lebowski".

I grew up with an older brother and I think this has a lot to do with liking the 3 Stooges and though I may not "get it" like guys do, it didn't stop me from doing their slapstick act with my brother.
I love Monty Python, Steve Martin, SNL (old Gilda/Martin/Belushi era) and black, sarcastic humor. But what I like then and now, may very well have something to do with the fact that I grew up with a goof-ball of an older brother. I don't think the case could be made for a woman who grew up with a younger brother because it's less likely she would have been influenced by a younger sibling.
I'm also married to a guy who loves the Airplane movies and that literal sense of humor. My poor daughters, they get it from both parents!!

But I'm surprised you went after Bell and not after John Debyshire's posts on women not getting "The Big Lebowski".

That's because I stopped caring about anything that neanderthal has to say a long, long time ago.

The whole time I was reading the post I was thinking, "Stooges." Someone beat me to it.

Imagine that appreciation of fart jokes, Monty Python (which my wife loves) and the Three Stooges (whom my wife violently dislike) is plotted on a bell curve. In the middle are people who see some humorous moments in these things but can more or less take them or leave them. On the left tail are people who are revolted by them; on the right tail are people who think there's nothing funnier on God's green earth.

In general (i.e., without resort to specific anecdotal examples), what gender are the people on the left tail, and what gender are the people on the right?

I think Michele made a very good point when she talked about the role humor played in her family. She was raised with a certain amount and type of humor. This has a great effect on what she finds funny. I imagine her husband has also had an effect on what she finds funny.

I think that our sense of humor is based on what we've been exposed to. My wife finds things funny now that she would have rolled her eyes at before we met, but there are still some things that will put me and my sons on the floor, that she doesn't even smile at.

When I think about the women I know, I would have to say that Mr. Bell's article is fairly accurate. With a few notable exceptions, most of the women I know would not find Monty Python funny. They wouldn't laugh at South Park, Family Guy, or The Venture Brothers. But I don't think this has anything to do with the fact that they are women. I think this is because of how they were raised and what they've been exposed to.

This does not mean that Michele and other women with a similar sense of humor are "less civilized" or "less witty." It just means that they've had different experiences and upbringings than the "normal" woman. This may be interpreted as a bad thing by some people and a good thing by others.

I guess the bottom line is that your sense of humor is what it is. There is no "right" or "wrong" when it comes to funny, regardless of sex. People are different. Based on genetics and/or environment. Don't get upset about Mr. Bell's article if it doesn't apply to you.

And for the record, the Three Stooges are The Funniest Thing Ever. Nothing else compares.

I know just as many humorless men as women; and there are few things quite as endearing as a really filthy laugh. But women are perhaps more reticent when it comes to telling jokes than men or boys, at least in my experience. But that's a social thing, not genetic.

One question though for parents: have you found it easier or harder to teach your daughters to laugh at themselves than your sons? I had to work a lot harder with my daughters than my sons - as did my father before me.

Michele, if your premise is really:
"Which all goes toward my end goal of proving that sense of humor is not determined by your chromosome set."

Then I agree. It think it's probably socialized, not genetic. But it may still hold true that more women than men are turned off by crude humor, or the Three Stooges.


(Assuming this post hasn't bored you yet)... let's end the argument.

Provide me with a list of your TOP 10 funniest women. Here's the caveat: You cannot cite anyone who is a self-described lesbian or anyone who is more than 30 pounds overweight.

I bet you cannot name 3.

The problem with that is I don't find many women funny. Which is why my problem with the article was not that he thinks women aren't funny,but that they don't laugh at the same things as men.

Uh ... make that "anyone who is LESS than 30 pounds overweight."

I think the statement that women can just magically grow any sort of breasts they want, with the added implications that all girls (all the ones that count?) are all these hot unattainable objects. He's not talking about women, he's talking about impossibly hot women, because to acknowledge any other kind is to lose all standing among your male friends. I think pretty much everything else you could say is irrelevant next to this. This man has probably never talked a woman.

This is the problem with talking in generalities. The general statement might be true, but people start fighting about individuals.

So, let me say that I agree that in today's society men are funnier then women in general. By which I mean that the average man is funnier than the average woman. Yes there are funny women and not funny men, but specific cases don't derail a general statement.

You can argue about why that is, nature vs nurture, but I believe the general statement is true.

A guy who can tell a good joke - or laugh at the same kind of joke as me - gets much farther on the sexy scale than a jock.

And suddenly the smell of shit wafted through the air.

Et tu, Catalano?

Women don't like the Three Stooges because it is political humor. Moe is the Tyrant Capitalist, Larry is the Socialist and Curly is Everyman. Go back and watch the dynamic again. I don't think it's only slapstick or they wouldn't like Adam Sandler either and let's face it, Bob Eubanks slapping Happy Gilmore around is just plain hilarious.

So....girls don't like political humor? Why do you say that? What's your thinking behind your theory?

Funny bone, need I say more?

See also, ISBN: 0140172947

Now the "politics" of the Three Stooges - that's a new one on me. REally, I can't get passed the meaness of the characters. The hitting, etc ... I'm not a priss, I but I just can't stand it.

Now Abott and Castello ... THEY were funny.

Pop culture representation. I can't think of any examples of humor targeted for females that doesn't make their female nature a major theme. Margaret Cho, Ellen, Joan Rivers, etc, can't get up on stage and talk without focusing on the parts of their lives that make them female. That this sells to a primarily female audience can't be overlooked. What female makes a living telling George Bush jokes other than Barbara Boxer?

An hour thinking on the treadmill has given me pause. I think michele is right. I concede the point. Humor, by its nature IS cultural. It just so happens that men have a subculture, one that shows up in locker rooms and super bowl parties. Every now and then we invite a woman in, but most get grossed out and leave. Some, like michele, decide to hang around a while.

Something tells me that most folks who aren't from the south do not find Jeff Foxworthy particularly funny. He tells "inside' jokes - jokes that are funny if you are a part of southern culture.

Anyway, I got sidetracked on the Stooges thing; I forgot to say in my first post that Mr Bell's premise is horsehockey. "Funny" is a subjective term. It's stupid to try to quantify.

SLIM: I don't think michele's gonna take the bait, but I will:

10. Judy Tenuda (shut up)
9. Kirstie Alley (pre-Fat Actress to meet your qualifications)
8. Gracie Allen (You didn't say they had to be alive)
7. Janeane Garofalo (as much as it pains me to admit)
6. Catherine O'hara (in any of the McKean/Guest movies)
5. Sandra Bullock (perfect comedic timing)
4. Arianna Huffington (even if she doesn't mean to)
3. Kathryn Greenwood (frequently on Whose Line)
2. Gilda Radner (nuff said)
1. Carol Burnett (nuff said)

Carol Burnett
Gilda Radner
Catherine O'Hara

Check, check, check.

The others do nothing for me.

But michele, you don't find "America's Funniest Home Videos" funny, so humor-wise we're from two different planets. (Pluto and Uranus?) Which, of course, proves your original point.

Don't forget Madeline Kahn and Cloris Leachman (He vas my BOYFRIEND!).

And the women on Mad TV (Alex Borstein, Mo Collins, Nicole Sullivan, Stephnie Weir and Debra Wilson) are hilarious.

The price is wrong, bitch!

I guess I'm married to the only woman in the world who actually likes the Three Stooges. I knew I found someone who is truly "one-of-a-kind", but I didn't realize she was that unique, humor wise!

As for Three Stooges vs Abbott and Costello, while the Stooges were certainly more physical in their comedy, Abbott sure slapped Costello around plenty!

I'd add Brett Butler, Tea Leone (watch Flying Blind before you say no), and Rita Rudner.

And I love the Three Stooges. Except Shemp. But I wouldn't call them the funniest thing ever. "Dude! Don't say pigf*cker in front of Jesus!" might be the funniest thing ever...

Oh god. How did I forget Madeline Kahn? I'm so ashamed.

No one's mentioned Lucille Ball yet? The horror!

Cameron Diaz

Of course funny is a subjective thing. (Lots of things people argue about are. If they weren't, you could look them up and settle it.) Isn't the premise that men, in general, find more things funny than women do? If so, I think that's true enough.

The Stooges seem to be widely regarded as something guys find funny (in general) and girls don't (in general). Can you name something that's the opposite? Is Sex and the City a comedy? (I really don't know.)

Is there a female equivalent of fart jokes? Is there a woman alive who laughs out loud at Oliver Platt's character on Huff? I doubt it. What character do women laugh out loud at that men don't?

In the aggregate, women are more serious and responsible than men are. This may be a social phenomenon, which is hard to test because we have the most liberal society on the planet, but it also might not be.

"With a few notable exceptions, most of the women I know would not find Monty Python funny. They wouldn't laugh at South Park, Family Guy, or The Venture Brothers."

I think all of these are hysterically funny. Then again, most other women find me strange. Which is fine by me, I'm laughing way more than they are. ;)

Okay. So this Warren Bell guy is claiming that women aren't as funny as men based on what he, Bell, and presumably Bell's male friends, finds funny. He notes that they don't like a lot of the things he does and that he doesn't find many women funny. Does anyone else see a certain tendency to statistical error here?

I'd also wager that there's a certain sampling error in this survey, too; most of the respondents to Michele's survey were men, and I'd be willing to bet that her loyal female readers are mostly, to some degree, tomboys. We read her writing because we share her sense of humor and interests. Most of my friends are men, and ALL of my close friends are; and I can remember moments from high school or my stints living in an all-girls' dorm when everybody was laughing and I just didn't get it. I have no problems accepting that in extremely broad terms men and women have DIFFERENT senses of humor, but concluding that women just aren't as funny or don't like to laugh as much because they don't have the exact same sense of humor guys do is a bit much. Challenging people to come up with funny women or counterexamples when everybody here doesn't have that kind of a sense of humor to begin with is pretty pointless.

(Oh, and Allah, put a sock in it. I've dated plenty of men strictly on the basis that they were funny and therefore an entertaining date, but I've never cared even slightly what any male could do in games I found boring as hell to begin with. Some women might lie about that for whatever social bullshit reason, but not all of us are lying.)

I've always loved the movie "Heathers," with Winona Ryder and Christian Slater. If you haven't seen it, it's hysterically funny, provided you like your humor pitch-black.

Anyway, back in college I knew a woman who claimed to have memorized the entire script to "Heathers." I'm pretty sure she was telling the truth. You could feed her a line at random, and she'd be off and running, spouting dialogue at you until you begged her to stop.

Keep in mind, though, she was a lesbian. I have no idea what that proves one way or the other. These nature/nurture arguments srtike me as pretty dubious from the get-go, and I've never heard of one being resolved.

bring the funny:


The other think that really annoys me about this article is that he demonstrates that women have a fair shot in 21st-century sitcom writing, good for them, but he uses that to write off the idea of discrimination IN THE PAST. His great male comics are from the era of the 30's through the 70's.

Just last night I had a prof say people who don't know the history of their profession get suckered into any trendy thing. This guy is a great example.

Why are there no Marx Sisters? Probably because going into vaudeville would have been considered barely a step above becoming a prostitute.

Yeah, Nicole Sullivan is funny. I'd add Christina Applegate and Jennifer Anniston as the only two Hollywood-beautiful type women who come to mind as being genuinely laugh-out-loud funny, and then only with good material. But I'd be hard-pressed to think of a woman in the stratospheric levels of comedy of Robin Williams, Jim Carrey, Dave Barry, Bill Cosby or Bob Newhart. Lucille Ball probably came closest.

Madeline Kahn, to me, is as funny a person who has ever been born on this planet. Male, female, whatever. i don't care. That woman is volcanically funny. Lucille Ball, too.

I was going to me-too on "Heathers" (and its paler imitation "Mean Girls") but then we would be getting into a conversation about whether the actors/-resses were being funny, or just dark in the way of "Very Bad Things". The screenplay was amazing but it didn't leave the actors much room to show off their comedic skills (as opposed to Python).

I'm agreed with Slarti on Sandra Bullock's comic timing. On that score, one movie I turned out to like, despite myself, was "Bridget Jones' Diary", and that was because of Rene Zellwieger's performance.

I have to say that Gracie Allen was a lot funnier than George Burns. He was the straight man. Madeline Kahn is hysterical.

Other funny women (some already mentioned)

Gilda Radner
Carol Burnett
Ruth Buzzi
Lily Tomlin
Imogen Coca
Bernadette Peters
Jennifer Saunders
Dawn French
Julia Louis-Dreyfus
Julie Hagerty
Eileen Brennan
Elaine May
Teri Garr
Elayne Boosler
Carol Leifer
Josie Lawrence
Karen Maruyama...

I would agree that often men and women do have different senses of humor, but different senses of humor is not the same thing as no or limited sense of humor.

A good sense of humor is never going to compete with a 90-mph fastball in terms of babe appeal, but it's a better path to alpha-male status than, oh, say, learning to program a Radio Shack TRS-80 home computer.

However, on that part, I think Bell has a point. Certainly there are women who prefer funny men to athletic men, myself included. I'd totally do Harry Anderson, Ryan Stiles, Brad Sherwood, Wayne Brady, Greg Proops... The only athlete I'd do is Tino Martinez, which has nothing to do with his athletic ability and everything to do with the fact that he's damn hot. Movie-star hot.

Having said that, athletes really are far more idolized than comedians, by both women and men.

My general observation is that men think they are funny more often than they are, and that women are often inadvertantly funny.

Hardly anyone, in our over-schooled, under-educated times, is actually witty.

This isn't unlike the Larry Summers' argument that women aren't as good at math and science as men are. It's all socialization.

What LabRat said. Bell, who is a male, finds males funnier than females. If it means anything, it only means that humor requires a common ground.

Women find the following story funny, but it often makes men frown and splutter a bit:

Got my first house, Mom & Dad came down to visit. Dad brought me a bunch of tools, put on the 'Big Man teaching His Little Girl How to Get On in Life' face, and started showing me the electric stud finder.

Dad: Now say you want to hang a heavy picture. You just take this stud finder, find yourself a couple of studs . .

Mom grins and pipes in: And you have them hang it up for you!!

Most men look scandalized when I tell them this. Women giggle.


& when my sister & I went drinking one night, we took the stud finder with us. We held it next to various men in the bar to see if they were studs. None of them were, despite what they said.

Women were spitting out their drinks, but men were not amused. Why is that?

About a third of the guys I know would do a woman with NO face if she had big boobs.

Way back in my college days I was thinking about this very subject. Where are the women comedians that I find funny?

Every once in a while I found one, who would turn out to be a lesban.

Then I think I figured it out. Humor is something that makes a girl more attractive. Combine that with looks and you've got someone who's raising a family by the time she's 20.

I didn't say brains because it's implied. I don't know any dumb comedians.

I think gender has absolutly nothing to do with anything and anyone who says other wise is just steriotyping because I happen to be female and hey who desn't like a good fart joke? hehe