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Kerry has conceded. Thank you, Sen. Kerry, for doing the right thing. Update: Off topic, but relevant. Article on the internet down time yesterday. Via the Two L Michelle.

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Classy move by Kerry. Kudos.

Good for him.

Agreed, congrats to President Bush on a well won election. I'm glad to see that Kerry didn't go nuts on this, which outlets like Financial Times thought he would do. Keep in mind that I think he realizes he has a job to go back to, something that Al Gore failed to think about when a close election came around last time.

Well he went up a step in my book. Kerry now stands on the first step of the basment :)

So, so very glad he did it early...

Style points reluctantly conferred.

I really don't think he had much of a choice, but give him credit, Kerry did do the right thing. On another note, now all the MSM analysts are breaking down the vote and the demographics thereof based on ...the Exit Polls! Gimme a break!

Last night he would not concede.

One final flip-flop from Senator Kerry :-)

Kerry has long had more class and dignity than many of his supporters. Granted that would be true if he peed on dining room tables, but still, he's showing a lot of respect for the American public by doing this now, rather than dragging it out.

Amen. And unlike Gore, Kerry will stay on to fight for what(ever) he believes in - back to the Senate. Kerry has done the nation a real service, and has done his party (though they may not realize it yet) a larger one.

Yep, right move for him. Anything else would have made things worse.

Well, he could be the next minority leader. And the battle with the loyal opposition will continue.

This is a good thing. No party or person should be given a free ride to do whatever they want to without making their case.

So what time do the flights carrying all the moonbats out of the country start leaving?

I'd like to go out an wish a nice Bon Voyage.

Surely the Hollywood assclowns will be chartering flights and what not to help all the little people flee the dreaded Bush regime, no?

It would be kinda cool to see a helicopter over the RCA building in LA "rescuing" all the disenfranchised "entertainers"

selah.

Kerry conceded, and that's good, if a bit obvious. His race was lost by 9 last night. But now we as a nation move forward, and one of the things we should examine is whether we hold people and organizations accountable for their words and deeds of the past weeks.

Will anyone believe a Zogby poll again? Will anyone ever watch CBS or NBC again? Will the President or other officials tell foreigners once and for all to butt out of our national politics? And will all the pajama-clad bloggers get dressed, go outside, and enjoy a walk in the park? They've earned it.

It only makes sense for Kerry to concede. The vote was extremely close, but Ohio wasn't the Florida of 2000, so there's no point in drawing out the election.

So much for my World-Series-Predicts-the-White-House theory, though. Damn!

Ok, so what the heck does Terry McAuliffe have to do to get fired? It's getting a little ridiculous....

a classy move, indeed. and i thank him for it, as the whole nation should.

Belize042, perhaps other nations will butt out of our politics when we butt out of theirs...

You voted for hate. Be proud!

I wish his supporters would take a lesson from him in this department. Nothing more irritating than these sore losers and their predictions of a fascist state for the next 4 years.

(Finally, my connection to ASV works!)

Michael, maybe we'll butt out of theirs if they stop attacking ours.

"You voted for hate. Be proud!"

Odd. What a hate-filled statement.

A bit OT: In case you were under the illusion that Rock the Vote was non-partisan (and how could you be?), check this out from WaPo:

It's always a bad sign at a victory celebration when people sit silently staring at a television screen, chewing their nails. At Democrat-friendly election night parties in Washington, it was difficult to, well, party. "Nobody knows if they’re going to win. Nobody wants to throw a party for a bunch of losers," observed Hans Riemer, Rock the Vote's Washington director, as he watched returns at the 9:30 club. [emphasis mine]

Throwing a party for Kerry = non-partisan? Oh, but they probably had their Texas director running a party for Bush, right? Right.

Oops, here's the link to that WaPo article.

John Kerry has conceded. I also must concede. In America we keep our freedom by the politics of persuasion rather than force. And, yes, you are right, it is over. For now.

George W. Bush persuaded a clear and unequivocal majority of Americans to support him, and, for once, enough of us voted to make that completely plain, which is by far the best news of this election. I personally was very proud to be a part of this resurgence of political participation.

Now that I no longer am constrained to electioneer over the Internet, however, and no longer need to give a damn whom I persuade, I can finally be wholly frank.

The people who wish everybody to "make nice" and "pull together" in this country are febrile fools. It has been thirty years of "pulling together" and "making nice" that gave us 40% voter turnout or less.

I, personally, love more voters at the polls and hate the smarmy cant of American "unity" worse than cold boiled meat for breakfast.

In my considered opinion, the last four years of American government have been a total disaster. It was my opinion on November 1 and it remains my opinion on November 3 and, thankfully, I no longer have to give six bits whether it is your opinion or anyone else's.

The process of doing that was getting to be a strain.

In politics we must persuade, but age and maturity will teach anyone who is NOT a febrile fool that clever, sentimental, and sanctimonious lies are often more persuasive than hard truths. That is what happened yesterday.

So keep that image of George W. Bush hugging Ashley close to your heart. Perhaps, every so often, I'll be back to ask you about it.

But, for now, I have to adjust my personal life to an America--and a world--of continued irrelevant, pointless, and militarily useless violent death; diminished personal opportunities; and nuclear armed Islamic fundamentalists. An America, and a world, largely, though not solely, the creation of George W. Bush.

So I'll be busy for the next four years.

Joey M: Thanks for being so openminded.

(NOTE: THIS IS SARCASM)

While many in the Democratic Party are recognizing, finally, that to lead America they must abondon the far left and move to the center, Joseph Marshall elects to throw himself onto the ashheap of history and cry out "look what you made me do!"

Get off the cross, Mr. Marshall, we need the wood.

Mr. Irving, I would remind you that John Kerry took 48% of the popular vote. I see no reason why that 48% of us need change ourselves or what we believe in.

For one thing we actually DO believe in something which we can state intelligibly without getting drunk on stale metaphors like "the ashheap of history": the primacy of facts over sentiment.

One thousand dead and eight thousand permanently maimed American soldiers is a fact. And if, as I think, by 2008 there are 3000 dead and 24,000 maimed soldiers in an Iraq where we are still fighting, that will be a larger fact.

"Fighting terrorism" is a piece of sentimental claptrap. The point of war is to decisively defeat an ememy and I see no evidence that the gentleman currently in charge is any closer to that now than three years ago or will be any closer to it four years hence.

Nothing anyone has said here presents any facts to the contrary.

Joesph:

Keep it up buddy! We need you in 2006!

How about the fact that every time the Democratic PAry runs a leftist candidate, they lose, Joseph? How about the Republican Party has not only held onto their lead in Congress since 1996, they've strengthened it? The majority of state governors, Republican. They seem to be doing something right, no matter how much you rant, rave, and provide dead links.

Here, have a tissue. Wipe your face. It's probably too late for you to grow up, but you can at least cease embarrassing yourself.

Joseph M,

Are you saying "the glove doesn't fit" and we must acquit you on the charges of; naive idealism, poor sportsmanship and conspiracy to commit idiotic thought?

I thought so....

Yes it's true Sen.Kerry rec'd 48% of the vote. A mere 3 1/2 million votes shy of victory. Kerry didn't lose and neither did you. The competitors of this nation lost and they'll probably do the same as you, they'll keep preachin' their unproductive rants of denial.

Imagine what Bin Laden and Arafat are thinking. And their sponsors. They lost.

"For one thing we actually DO believe in something which we can state intelligibly without getting drunk on stale metaphors"

Anybody but Bush is fairly new, so give it time in the easy bake cliche oven.

Also new to the fold is Americans are stupid, Amerika is Dead, and The draft is a coming!

Articulation courtesey of the left.

No one has STILL presented any facts to the contrary. You don't have them.

Luckily you don't need them to win elections, as we just proved.

I will repeat what I said before: enough of us voted to make that completely plain, which is by far the best news of this election.

Enough people voted to finally know where we stand.

We need to know that it doesn't matter how many soldiers die, or for what reasons, as long as we are shooting at somebody, any somebody, whether its the right somebody or not, and whether it accomplishes anything or not.

We need to know that it doesn't really matter how we treat anybody who is not "one of us" or any other country anywhere. All norms of treaty, law, mutual agreement, or even common courtesy toward those not "one of us" are revocable by us with no notice.

We need to know that it doesn't matter how many jobs we outsource from this country, how many jobs we destroy within it, or what the ultimate consequences are for the health, happiness, and future of our people.

And we need to know that the CEO's driving the outsourcing are worth the millions they are being paid to turn such reliably immediate cost-cutting profits and sell their stock options quarterly for millions more.

We need to know that it doesn't matter how many hard-working people we let across the border to do our minimum wage grunt work without putting up a fuss in English--even when no single individual can eat, drive, and keep a roof over his head on full time at minimum wage alone.

We need to know that it doesn't matter if medical costs rise five times faster than anybody's salaries (except CEO's, of course) and that it doesn't matter how many of us lose medical coverage or watch our own coverage erode yearly as companies file off benefits from their plans.

We need to know that it doesn't matter how many people will never be able to retire, really, and must simply drop dead in harness.

We need to know that it doesn't matter how much money the government borrows and spends. Or what countries we owe that money to.

We need to know that it doesn't matter when gasoline and fuel prices skyrocket and airlines crunch in as a result. Not to mention the curbs on our own freedom to travel or the costs to live this implies.

We need to know that the only thing that really matters is that gays don't get married, that Roe v. Wade is finally overturned, and that, to quote the platform of the Texas Republican Party, "The United States is a Christian Nation". We need to know that the only things that really matter are God, guns, and gays.

Yes, I know there are moderate Republicans, and secular libertarians, but anyone with eyes can see that they are the tail and the evangelical zealots are the dog.

We needed to know all this. And now we do. We finally got enough people on record that this IS how a majority of Americans view things.

And an intelligent Liberal can adjust his private priorities accordingly.

Marshalls response to facts differing from his worldview:
"Nyah nyah nyah you don't have any"

Now cut and paste that into a three page long post. Add 'we need to know' random exaggerated stereotypes about the Republicans and Independents (and even some Democrats) who re-elected Bush by a stunning margin, stir liberally (pun intended). Ta-da, you have his response.

You're unhappy with the election, Mr. Marshall. We get that. Doesn't change the outcome. Your majority is a minority, and thats a fact.

I have never claimed it to be so. Only the Conservative ideologues subsist on the notion that the American flag is their own fashion statement.

It isn't.

Good for you, then, Mr. Marshall. The strength of the US is diversity of viewpoint. Think of it like a free market, good ideas sell, bad ideas fail. The American flag represents us all, no matter our viewpoints.

Wow, Joseph, I've got to say you come across as bitter.

I like that.

John Kerry has conceded. I also must concede. In America we keep our freedom by the politics of persuasion rather than force. And, yes, you are right, it is over. For now.

But... but... we'll be back! And then you'll be sorry! You'll see!

Next time, try bringing a candidate who actually believes in something besides the fact that he should be president.

George W. Bush persuaded a clear and unequivocal majority of Americans to support him, and, for once, enough of us voted to make that completely plain, which is by far the best news of this election.

You sound thrilled.

I personally was very proud to be a part of this resurgence of political participation.

But...

Now that I no longer am constrained to electioneer over the Internet, however, and no longer need to give a damn whom I persuade, I can finally be wholly frank.

So now we're going to hear what Joseph thinks of all of us who dared to vote for the candidate he dislikes. This should be fun.

The people who wish everybody to "make nice" and "pull together" in this country are febrile fools. It has been thirty years of "pulling together" and "making nice" that gave us 40% voter turnout or less.

Hmm... seems to me that there hasn't actually BEEN any "pulling together" or "making nice" in the last thirty years. Or have you just not been following the news for the last three decades, Joseph?

I, personally, love more voters at the polls and hate the smarmy cant of American "unity" worse than cold boiled meat for breakfast.

Politicians always say these things after an election, Joseph, and they never mean them. I mean, you can't actually believe there's been any serious unity in political thought in the last thirty years, can you?

The rest of us just take these calls for unity for what they are worth: nothing.

In my considered opinion, the last four years of American government have been a total disaster. It was my opinion on November 1 and it remains my opinion on November 3 and, thankfully, I no longer have to give six bits whether it is your opinion or anyone else's.

Did you ever?

The process of doing that was getting to be a strain.

You poor baby. Here, have a Tylenol.

In politics we must persuade, but age and maturity will teach anyone who is NOT a febrile fool that clever, sentimental, and sanctimonious lies are often more persuasive than hard truths. That is what happened yesterday.

Uh huh. This is the part of the show we like to call "You people are all idiots."

Y'see, Joe here is telling us we fell for a pack of "clever, sentimental, and sanctimonious lies," which really translates to us daring to have different political opinions than he does. HE, of course, has fallen for no such thing. Those people who voted for Bush did so because they fell for these sanctimoneous lies. Had they not done so then there's little doubt they would agree with Joseph.

Has it EVER occurred to you that maybe, just maybe someone who votes on the other side has their reasons, that perhaps they believe Bush is doing an OK job with a bad hand of cards? Ever even consider that, Joseph?

Anyway, since lies offend you so, let's talk about the lies YOUR candidate told: that Bush would return the draft. LIE. That he was going to "privatize" Social Security. LIE. That America is acting "unilateraly." LIE.

I could go on, but you get the point.

So keep that image of George W. Bush hugging Ashley close to your heart. Perhaps, every so often, I'll be back to ask you about it.

Oh dear. Is that a threat?

But, for now, I have to adjust my personal life to an America--and a world--of continued irrelevant, pointless, and militarily useless violent death;

Good point. Maybe I should have voted for Kerry after all, because he could have made all of our problems go away without endangering the lives of any of our troops.

I mean, Saddam Hussein had only been a problem for twelve years of sanctions, lies, delays, attacks, and threats. Kerry could have MADE him play nice. Without US casualties.

diminished personal opportunities;

Maybe for you. Things'r going great for me, and as a heartless and evil (but stupid) conservative that's all I really care about.

and nuclear armed Islamic fundamentalists.

That John Kerry would have made disappear.

By getting some more allies. And holding a summit. And giving nuclear materials to iran in exchange for them promising to be nice.

An America, and a world, largely, though not solely, the creation of George W. Bush.

Geez, I had no idea George Bush was SATAN.

So I'll be busy for the next four years.

Which means you won't have much time to spend here complaining and patronizing us, right?

Right?

I'm afraid, Big, that by "busy", he means just that: that he will be busy pestering and whining at people on other "conservative" blogs like this one. "The world isn't run the way I want it to be run! Boo hoo!" Bring it on.

You say "doing the right thing" as if Kerry never should have run in the first place. If you care to discuss people doing the right thing, the right thing for Bush to do would have been to not run for office again. Above and beyond any of the issues both candidates beat to death, the most fundamental test of any administration is whether the country as a whole is better off than it was four years ago and on a national level, the answer is clearly no. I don't just say that because I disagree with Bush. I judge every President, regardless of party, by that same measure. I'm also not saying that Kerry, or any Democrat, would have been the best option. But I think Bush, who claims to be a uniter, had the incredible opportunity to unite the world by not running for office again. I believe he should have let someone else from his party, who is better qualified, run for office. Don't forget, about 50% of the country, myself included, will never accept Bush as a legitimate President. Let me be clear that such reasons for illegitimacy stem, not from him being a Republican, but rather a more personal level. I belive the Republicans can produce a better, more qualified, more intelligent, more well-spoken, more charismatic candidate, someone who isn't simpleminded and isn't your average guy. It's only the most important job in the world so why settle for average? Simplemindedness and average are unacceptable qualities in a President. Many Republicans get it out there, George Bush clearly does not so the right thing to do would have been to give someone else a shot, someone who can think and reason on a higher level, which in today's world is a requirement, not an added bonus.

Ryan speaketh thusly:

You say "doing the right thing" as if Kerry never should have run in the first place.

Hmm... I'm rereading Michele's post.

Nope, nowhere do I see that. Nowhere do I even see it implied.

Sorry, Ryan, methinks you're reading things into Michele's post that y'know, aren't actually there.

If you care to discuss people doing the right thing, the right thing for Bush to do would have been to not run for office again.

Despite the fact that his party wanted him to run again, and despite the fact that some people (like me) think he's doing a decent (not great, but decent) job during tough times.

Ryan, the "right thing" does not always equal "what Ryan wants." Some people actually have different opinions than you, and you are not the one who decides what the right thing is. I wanted Bush to run. Many others did as well.

He ran. He won. O-bla-di, o-bla-da, life goes on.

Above and beyond any of the issues both candidates beat to death, the most fundamental test of any administration is whether the country as a whole is better off than it was four years ago and on a national level, the answer is clearly no.

Oh, clearly.

Y'know, you may be shocked by this, but not all of us think that the "fundamental test" of whether or not a president makes the country "better off." In case you don't remember it, Ryan, Bush walked into office at the beginning of a recession. Early in his term the country was attacked by terrorists, resulting in 3000 deaths, hundreds of million (if not more) in damage, hundreds of billion in economic damage. Corporate scandals which had been brewing for many years finally broke, doing even more damage.

Despite that, unemployment remains about where it was during the Clinton administration, inflation isn't a big worry, the stock market is doing OK, and other economic factors are good.

I think Bush has done a pretty good job. Not perfect, by any stretch of the imagniation, and there are quite a few things I disagree with him on, but he's done a decent job with a bad hand of cards.

I don't just say that because I disagree with Bush.

Of course not.

I judge every President, regardless of party, by that same measure. I'm also not saying that Kerry, or any Democrat, would have been the best option.

Hmm, well, that's great, because the fact is we were given a choice: Bush or Kerry.

That's it. You may not like it, you may think Bush shouldn't have ran again, but that doesn't change what happened. You could either choose Bush, or you could choose Kerry, or you could toss your vote to a third party like the Angry Left-Handed Communist Party or the People Who Actually Like Ramen Noodles Party, or you could stay at home and not vote and wait for P-Diddy to knock down your door and blow you away for not voting.

Hate to say it, Ryan, but sometimes the choices you're given in life aren't the ones you want.

But I think Bush, who claims to be a uniter, had the incredible opportunity to unite the world by not running for office again.

The world isn't going to be united on anything, and we don't pick our presidents based on what the rest of the world wants.

And as far as being a "uniter," Bush tried. He pissed off a lot of conservatives by not using his veto power even when presented with massive spending, by letting Ted Kennedy write his education bill, and by generally behaving decently towards the opposition. And for this his judicial nominees were blocked, he was insulted with the vilest of accusations, and his opponents generally blew a gasket whenever the subject of Bush came up.

Ryan, it takes TWO SIDES for unity to work. If the Democrats were so intent on being unified, they could have made an effort. And if they weren't, no amount of wishing by George Bush would have made it happen.

I believe he should have let someone else from his party, who is better qualified, run for office.

If they wanted to, the could have run for office. No one did. And what guarantees are there that the replacement would be better? You might end up with someone worse, Ryan.

Don't forget, about 50% of the country, myself included, will never accept Bush as a legitimate President.

TOUGH. Deal with it. He is the president, whether you like it or not, whether you think he's legitimate or not.

Y'know, sometimes that whole democracy/republic thing means the guy you don't like wins.

And for the record, Ryan, just because roughly half the people voted against him does NOT mean they think he's "illegitimate." It just means they didn't vote for him. YOU may feel that, but you most certainly don't speak for half the frikkin' country. If Kerry had won, roughly half the country would have voted against him, but that would not mean he was illegitimate.

Let me be clear that such reasons for illegitimacy stem, not from him being a Republican, but rather a more personal level.

Doesn't change the fact that it doesn't matter. He's president. Deal.

I belive the Republicans can produce a better, more qualified, more intelligent, more well-spoken, more charismatic candidate, someone who isn't simpleminded and isn't your average guy.

Ah, the old "Bush is stupid" meme. Y'know, I never get tired of hearing that.

It's only the most important job in the world so why settle for average? Simplemindedness and average are unacceptable qualities in a President.

That "simpleminded" guy has consistently kicked his opposition's ass. He has won victory after victory, but his opponents never seem to understand. HE'S NOT STUPID. He's a Yale graduate, a Harvard MBA, an ex-fighter pilot, elected governor of Texas twice (and for the record, that doesn't happen often. Texans tend to toss governors out on their asses), and has gotten himself elected president twice. Despite the fact that his opposition thinks he's a dimwit.

Keep thinking that, Ryan, if it makes you feel good.

Many Republicans get it out there,

Who?

George Bush clearly does not so the right thing to do would have been to give someone else a shot,

Again, Ryan, just because you don't think it's the right thing doesn't mean it isn't. Politics is opinion. Right and wrong rarely enter into it. Another candidate might be better than Bush on some levels, worse ton others. You want the Republicans to take a shot in the dark, throw away a known quantity for an unknown in the hopes that he might be better. Sorry, that's not a good bet.

someone who can think and reason on a higher level,

Blah blah blah "he's a dummy."

You might want to consider something, Ryan. Just think about it for a minute: maybe Bush WANTS people like you to think he's stupid. If I were president, it certainly wouldn't bother me if they thought that, because it would make them "misunderestimate" me. Just like the Democrats have, for years now, underestimated Bush. I mean, it's not like you're going to vote for him, so what does he care what you think of him?

which in today's world is a requirement, not an added bonus.

Says who? Jimmy Carter is an extraordinarily intelligent man, yet he was a disaster as president. Reagan was consistently called stupid when in office, but guided the country though tough times and the approaching end of the cold war.

Ryan, give it a rest. Kerry lost. Bush is president. You might not like it, but reality doesn't always conform to our wishes. I too would have loved a perfect candidate, sharp of wit, strong of jaw, and stylish of hair. What we got was a choice between Bush, who you consider stupid, and Kerry, who I consider to be a poll-driven empty suit.

That's it. Y'know, in the end, it's not the republicans who you should be pissed off at; it's the democrats. They could have nominated someone with a moral backbone, someone tough on defense and hawkish on the war, someone with charisma. Instead, they nominated John Kerry. A good candidate should have cleaned the floor with the "simpleminded" Bush. They didn't nominate a good candidate, though.

And the result is four more years of Bush. Whether you think he's illegitimate, Ryan, is irrelevant. Accept it, and move on with your life.

Michele,

An odd thing happened when I tried to post that long-winded, nasty attack above. I kept getting back "Your comment could not be submitted due to questionable content: ci*lis."

(The * is an "a", but I can't post this unless I change it slightly.)

Is this a curse-word in a language I don't know?