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» Quote of the Day from Shot In The Dark
Michele Catalano writes about a comically-slanted piece about bloggers in the NYTimes. That the piece got everything wrong and brought a comical political slant to the contribution of blogs to the arc of the Rathergate story is both obvious and... [Read More]
» Quote of the Day from Shot In The Dark
Michele Catalano writes about a comically-slanted piece about bloggers in the NYTimes. That the piece got everything wrong and brought a comical political slant to the contribution of blogs to the arc of the Rathergate story is both obvious and... [Read More]
» L.A.M.E. still doesn't get it from Darleen's Place
Or maybe, seeing the competition, they want to dismiss the citizen-journatist of the pajama set by ignoring the bloggers who broke the CBS fraud and portray left-of-center blogs as rather silly ventures. Today the NYTimes runs with a ten page... [Read More]
» L.A.M.E. still doesn't get it from Darleen's Place
Or maybe, seeing the competition, they want to dismiss the citizen-journatist of the pajama set by ignoring the bloggers who broke the CBS fraud and portray left-of-center blogs as rather silly ventures. Today the NYTimes runs with a ten page... [Read More]
» Cool Bloggings from Dummer 'n' Dirt
some particularly cogent thoughts from the blogoshere [Read More]
» WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE MEDIA from Beautiful Atrocities
The whole piece is so Old Media Reptile, too hidebound in PC orthodoxy to notice the mammals taking over the planet. [Read More]
» NYT Magazine Discovers Bloggers from The Truth Laid Bear
Glad they could join us. Disappointed that I only had to read Page 1 of 10 before hitting a factual error: "Then in 1999, Mickey Kaus, a veteran magazine journalist and author of a weighty book on welfare reform, began... [Read More]
» Fronting from baldilocks
Right-of-center bloggers have been disappeared.* At least by the New York Times they have. The four blogs that showcased the most leg work in exposing the so-called Killian memos as forgeries—Powerline, LGF, INDC Journal and Allah—get nary a mentio... [Read More]
» With a Friend Like This…
The New York Times Trashes Lefty Bloggers from the evangelical outpost
Hugh Hewitt is wrong. So is Charles Johnson. And Michele Cantalano, Betsy Newmark, the Commissar, and Allah. All of them seemed to miss the point of the recent New York Time’s magazine article on lefty bloggers. Oddly enough, the Daily... [Read More]
» (Political) Blogs R News from The Moderate Voice
Blogging has either reached an unprecedented peak as a new journalistic form -- or it's now reached the point where its going to lose its status as the journalistic story flavor of the month. Two excellent - if in some [Read More]
» No Respect from The Breakdown Lane
If the picture in this article doesnt serve as a perfect metaphor for the passing of the baton from Old Media to New Media, I dont know what could. Ana Marie Cox (i.e. Wonkette), is huddled over a laptop while... [Read More]
» No Respect from The Breakdown Lane
If the picture in this article doesnt serve as a perfect metaphor for the passing of the baton from Old Media to New Media, I dont know what could. Ana Marie Cox (i.e. Wonkette), is huddled over a laptop while... [Read More]
» A Blog is A Blog is a Blog from Slant Point
The New York Times, in its Sunday Magazine, is trying to show it comprehends the new media of blogs, but all it ends up being is a clear effort by those in the Times' staff pumping those blogs on the Left in order to usurp... [Read More]
» NY Times Magazine On Blogs from Scrutineer
Why did the NY Times Magazine assign a story on "bloggers covering the presidential race" to a writer who acknowledges his "total inability to do justice to the blogging on the right"? [Read More]
» WHEN DINOSAURS RULED THE MEDIA from Beautiful Atrocities
NY Times safety regulations: In case of blogosphere meteor strike, please exit the building in an orderly manner There's a lot of pissing about Matt Klam's lively NY Times exercise in sociopolitical autism. Amazingly, a Times reporter can't find... [Read More]
Comments
I heard the knucklehead who wrote this on Batchelor's WABC show Friday night ... everything they were saying was "the left wing has found a voice" with blogs, and they kept pointing at Kos. And by the way, did'ya know your a member of the "organized" opposition?
Sheesh.
Posted by: TC-LeatherPenguin | September 26, 2004 09:27 AM
I saw this on Charles' blog last night and...well...aghast and disgusted just doesn't quite make it.
Matthew Klam is primarily a fiction writer. Klam was on CSpan this morning, 7:30am east coast, and if you go back to Charles' thread looks like some callers got in and questioned Klam's glaring ommissions.
Posted by: darleen | September 26, 2004 10:28 AM
If I wrote what I'm thinking about the Helium Heads, you'd bann my butt.
(let's just say, "Pedro is your Daddy.")
Posted by: TC-LeatherPenguin | September 26, 2004 10:54 AM
"A ten page New York Times article." It actually wasn't. It was a NY Times Magazine article; they're actually entirely separate publications, with no editorical overlap whatsoever. (Ditto the Book Review.) I realize that this confuses people due to the obvious reason that they're distributed together, but, for instance, the Book Review is also sold separately. All three are distinct publications with separate staffs. Honest.
Posted by: Gary Farber | September 26, 2004 11:31 AM
"She found her niche "...nice euphemism for a a part of the female anatomy.
Posted by: mbruce | September 26, 2004 11:39 AM
Come on, you should take Klam's little swipe at right wing blogs as a compliment. "Coordinated attack" sounds so...I dunno...professional.
Big Dan Rather said you were all just a bunch of hungover guys in pajamas. Klam makes you sound like political Ninjas. I say go with it. Go ahead. Scare the hell out of them.
Posted by: spd rdr | September 26, 2004 11:47 AM
Cox the Wonk, and Other Stories...??
I guess I'm missing the reason for surprise (let alone outrage) about this 10-pager. I mean, it's the NYFT, fer crissakes. WHAT more or less does anyone really expect?
Microsoft ignored the Internet for a LONG time. When arrogance (temporarily) abated, and they finally realized they no longer had a stranglehold (ring any bells yet?) on networked computing, it cost them million$ to catch up. But as they did, they used a brilliant strategy - develop parallel (read: proprietary) technologies they could control, give them away (like their open-source counterparts) and take back what was 'rightfully' theirs.
IMHO, this article represents the analog to that strategy as we'll most likely see it playing out in the Old vs New Media saga. NYFT doesn't retain it's readership and influence by exhibiting excellence - it does so by keeping that readership in the dark, WHILE PRETENDING TO ENLIGHTEN THEM.
The facts: fact-checking, information-hungry, partisan AND non-partisan bloggers are eating Old Medias' lunch.
NYFT Response (between the lines): "Oops - we almost misssed this vital new "upstart" crop of "information junkies". These "rough-and-tumble" wired bohemians are carving out new realms in communication, expression and politics. And the NYFT is here to bring it to you.
OBTW - HERE are the only ones you need to take seriously..."
I think we should be cheering articles like this. They are the functional equivalent of the skunk's scent sac spraying fetid mercaptan on EVERYTHING, when it believes its life is being threatened. And I believe thrashing like this will eventually lead to the inevitable 'eeewwwwww!!'.
But that's just me. ;-)
Posted by: Wyatt | September 26, 2004 11:58 AM
I only skimmed it because it was -- oh, how to put this politely -- FUCKING BORING, but I think conservative bloggers dodged a bullet on this one. Kos et al. didn't really come off too well, I didn't think.
Just took a look over at Kos, by the way, since Google News now uses it as one of its "news sources." A Geheimbundler is complaining that the NYT... er, sorry, Gary! That the NYT Magazine is too right-wing:
"These days I mostly ignore what the establishment media says about bloggers. It's usually a predictable mix of condescension, ridicule, and thinly veiled anxiety that the blogs are gaining influence at the expense of 'real journalism.'
"But Matthew Klam's piece on political blogs in this weekend's NY Times stands out. It takes all of the above attitudes to dazzling new heights -- and tops them with a few other staple Times prejudices: contempt and loathing for passionate liberalism, a contrasting and mysterious silence about right-wing excesses, and plenty of old-fashioned class snobbery."
Poor guy's getting it from all sides this morning!
Posted by: Jim Treacher | September 26, 2004 12:39 PM
"All three are distinct publications with separate staffs"...but owned by the same corporation, right? So, at some level, somebody has executive management responsibility for all of them.
Posted by: David Foster | September 26, 2004 12:47 PM
"It will be interesting to see how the results of the coming election will effect those balloons. A pin positioned in just the right place will cause a collective pop loud enough to cause an aftershock in the blog world..."
I seriously doubt it. As I have written upstream aways, the REASONS those of us on the left write and the RESULTS of the Bush Administration are not going to go away.
If they do come, four more years of Geroge will simply make those reasons larger and those results worse. George W. Bush is slowly screwing up the country and the world. Period.
I have noted upstream that none of my good friends here can argue worth a straw against this assertion, or present any serious evidence to the contrary. Because it is correct.
So write we will on the Left, whatever events may hold.
Americans live comfortably enough to often be completely unreasonable, and to ignore bad results for quite a long time.
But no one can ignore worsening results forever. Bad policy will out, and the bad policy is certainly not going to go away with four more years of GWB.
Since the day, long ago now, that the most marginalized among us pulled behind Howard Dean, no one on my side of the fence has been under the illusion that 2004 would be anything but a horrible struggle with no certainty of victory.
The depth of ordinary unreason and working disconnection from reality in this country, as on this blog, has been that great.
But since we want better RESULTS, and want them badly, we are out pounding the pavement and making damn sure all our people get to the polls. Even Kos will be coming out of his ivory tower to join us at it in Ohio.
We may fail. We may not get what we want. But I see no evidence of corresponding efforts on the pavement or on the phone banks by our adversaries, so I think reports of our immanent demise are a little premature.
If we merely fail at the polls, we'll be back. The voice of reason, and of realism about results, will be in your face and in your ears for the entire 1461 days which follow.
Give us "four more years" of worsening results and by 2008 we won't just be opening the door. We'll kick it in.
Posted by: Joseph Marshall | September 26, 2004 12:58 PM
When so-called MSM writers and broadcast "journalists" start taking shots at you, you have their attention. I like that.
This week my wife asked me "what's a blog"? and then started reading a few I pointed her to. The reason she asked was hearing talk radio guys giving bloggers credit for breaking the memo story (in their coordinated attack. ha!)
Posted by: Dave in Texas | September 26, 2004 01:01 PM
I have said it before and I'll say it again:
If weblogs had existed during the Watergate scandal, bloggers would have been all over Nixon. There is no conspiracy. Bloggers spontaneously focus on what interests them - and the truth is one such interest, rather than dogma.
Political borders are in fact not solid in cyberspace: there is much dissent, and everyone's allowed his say. Is that conspiracy?
(Side note: I just realized that we're positively not living in THE MATRIX. If this was a computer simulation, its overseers would try to suppress blogging. Hmmmm... now why would someone want to suppress or diminish blogging...? Have you noticed how Dan Rather looks more and more like a robot these days...? Just kidding.
;-P)
-A.R.Yngve
http://yngve.bravehost.com
Posted by: A.R.Yngve | September 26, 2004 01:04 PM
Give us "four more years" of worsening results and by 2008 we won't just be opening the door. We'll kick it in.
Who's tha fascist again?
Posted by: mbruce | September 26, 2004 01:06 PM
"Americans live comfortably enough to often be completely unreasonable, and to ignore bad results for quite a long time."
Heh...
Posted by: Angus Jung | September 26, 2004 01:18 PM
"But I see no evidence of corresponding efforts on the pavement or on the phone banks by our adversaries"
That, Joseph, is because if every Republican campaign worker took off tomorrow for a month-long vacation cum drinking spree, Kerry would still lose in November.
That the Left will be still be around in the next four years, I make no doubt. So will rats and cockroaches.
The Left, though, will spend those four years -- and all the years, decades, and centuries afterward -- in a Hell as much of their own making as any other greedy children, their noses pressed against the windows of a candy store to which entry is barred. They will see millions of people, doing things ranging from important to self-indulgent...and they will be ignored by those people.
Posted by: John "Akatsukami" Braue | September 26, 2004 01:27 PM
To my mind, the most important word from your quote of Klam is "obsessive".
You know: anyone who actually worked-out on the facts is verging on mental defect.
Posted by: Billy Beck | September 26, 2004 01:29 PM
Joey
I call "projection."
The Angry Left's purely visceral reaction to the fact that GW even breathes is the stuff of unreason and unreality.
Everything from 9/11 being an American/Israeli conspiracy to Saddam being not such a bad guy after all to calls on DU or Indymedia for an armed revolution if GW wins the election speaks volumes of how the Left thinks about people who look at their tenets and reject them.
This is even evident in the cynical handwringing about "healthcare" one finds in Leftist columns and blogs. It's not that moderates or conservatives disagree with the premise that the Healthcare industry needs attention, even reform, it's that when moderates and conservatives suggest an approach or solution different from the anointed Left solution that the frothing at the mouth takes place with fevered charges that conservatives want to keep people sick and dying.
Not only do I want GW to win. I want the win HUGE and devastating to the Dem party. I want the Dems beat back into irrelavant minority status.
Because I want the Dem party to reform itself. (the best thing the Republican Party did was force wingnut Buchanan out). To kick out the anti-American leftists that run it, to return to a party of mature, anti-left and LOYAL opposition. Liberal and left are not synonomous, but you wouldn't know that looking at the modern Dem party.
Posted by: darleen | September 26, 2004 01:45 PM
Is the Pope Catholic?
Posted by: Sissy Willis | September 26, 2004 02:07 PM
"That, Joseph, is because if every Republican campaign worker took off tomorrow for a month-long vacation cum drinking spree, Kerry would still lose in November."
Now, now. Keep it family friendly, please! Michele's kids might be looking over her shoulder as she blogs.
Also, go check out the NYT Campaign 2004 story on voter registration in Ohio and Florida this morning, or drop by my blog for a summary.
But if you do, please keep the comments clean. We're in a culture war, after all!
Posted by: Joseph Marshall | September 26, 2004 02:30 PM
Mr. Marshall, "cum" means "with" in Latin. It probably should have been in italics.
Posted by: Mark | September 26, 2004 03:06 PM
hmmm... freudian slip on Joseph's part?
Posted by: darleen | September 26, 2004 03:19 PM
Oh! I'd better clarify that last...
Joseph, I wasn't referring to your lingerie.
Posted by: darleen | September 26, 2004 03:21 PM
Ten dollar words and he didn't know "cum" can also be used as "with", heh...
Posted by: Erich | September 26, 2004 03:32 PM
Wonkette is boring. The less said about her the better.
=darwin
Posted by: Darwin | September 26, 2004 04:13 PM
Re: "She found her niche and she gets paid for reveling in it."
The same could be said of any prostitute. That's not much of a claim to fame or an argument in her favor.
Posted by: Frank Villon | September 26, 2004 04:24 PM
Am I the only one who noticed that Wonkette is kind of ugly?
Like a young Ron Howard in drag.
Posted by: Steve H. | September 26, 2004 05:29 PM
I guess I do not have a liberal (or is it progressive, or have they moved on to a new word?) mind-set, but I did not even see Mr. Marshall's comment on the use of the word cum coming. I should be able to say in this context "the use of the word cum coming", but who knows what someone taking it out of context might do with it. I took Latin in high school, but remember little. I knew the word as it is used in English before I ever heard it used as slang (OK, I am old :) ). I am trained in science and mathematics, but proper use of language matters to me. It is not a good sign when the slang use is much more widely known than the original meaning. I say we try to reclaim the word by using it properly (the suggestion to use "cum" would have made me think it was being used in its slang sense).
Mike
Posted by: Mike | September 26, 2004 07:10 PM
Posted by: Jim C. | September 26, 2004 08:15 PM
Wonkette is the National Enquirer of blogs. There are copies (links) everywhere, but nobody takes either of them seriously.
I wonder how long it will take the MSM to wake up and realize this.
Posted by: Jonathan | September 26, 2004 08:48 PM
"Leave it to a leftist to pick out the off-color meaning in something, just like a giggling junior-high-school student. Which is the level I now expect from the left."
Hey! Why should they have all the fun?
Posted by: Jim Treacher | September 26, 2004 08:48 PM
Mike
Not to worry. Joseph is a left-liberal and in the words of Dennis PragerJoseph saw the word "cum" and channeled his inner Beavis.
Posted by: darleen | September 26, 2004 08:49 PM
What's a little scary is Michele's even considered right-leaning. I'd call it national-security leaning and anti-bullshit.
Posted by: IB Bill | September 26, 2004 08:53 PM
While at the DNC Hewitt and I were entertaining some MSM reporter types up in Bloggers’ Roost when Hugh so succinctly summarized the tenor Klam projects:
I laughed off my chair.Posted by: Alan | September 26, 2004 08:54 PM
Upon further review, I'm gonna go with the Balloon-Heads Theory.
Posted by: Jim Treacher | September 26, 2004 11:31 PM
"Coordinated attack"?????
What a load of crap. I am totally uncoordinated.
Posted by: Ken Summers | September 27, 2004 09:28 AM
What makes Wonkette a blog? The site's just a gossip column with permalinks. But of course the press drools all over her. She's the epitome of everything a New York journalist wants in a woman: a WASP with a dirty mouth.
Posted by: Andrea Harris | September 27, 2004 10:05 AM
I have two words for the New York Times Magazine's fact-checkers: "flat-lining".
Posted by: Crank | September 27, 2004 10:06 AM
AP reports Cheney had a heart attack...
Posted by: earl | September 27, 2004 04:37 PM
"AP reports Cheney had a heart attack..."
Liar.
Posted by: Angus Jung | September 27, 2004 04:47 PM
Jeez, Michelle, jealous much? Maybe you should write the National Review and ask them to profile your brilliant writing.
Posted by: Ken Leckwa | September 27, 2004 10:08 PM