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Knox Knox.
Who's There?
Kinkos.
Kinkos Who?
Uh...It's Actually Bill Burkett

So, I fell asleep at abotut 10:30 last night (oddly enough, I wasn't even wearing pajamas), so I'm way behind on the stories here. Instead of trying to catch up, I'll just link. First, a small reminder that sometimes even forgeries can reveal the truth. Now we go to Allah, who is knocking around Mrs. Knox (no, not figuratively). It seems the nice old lady is doing a bit of flip-flopping - I didn't remember Bush before I remembered him! On the Kinko's issue, WaPo's got a few tidbits. The Commisar links to this site, which discover that Mr. Burkett, he of the disgruntledness: bq. has a standing account with the Kinkos in Abilene Texas, and while the lady who answered the phone would not be more specific she did say Burkett was in there last week she waited on him on last (a week ago) Tuesday.... Ace has a primer on Bill Burkett that you should read if you plan on following this story to its seemingly logical conclusion. Oh, and speaking of primers, maybe you should read up on Mary Mapes, CBS producer. Back to Dan the Man. Andrew Sullivan points to a WaPo article which quotes Mr. Rather: bq. "If the documents are not what we were led to believe, I'd like to break that story. Any time I'm wrong, I want to be right out front and say, 'Folks, this is what went wrong and how it went wrong.'" That sound you just heard was my jaw dropping. That other sound was my giggling like a school girl. Astounded and amused, I am. Sullivan says: bq. Memo to Rather: you can't break that story, because someone else in pajamas already did. Check the frequency, Kenneth. You are so far from being out front on this, you are leagues behind in the dust. Have you heard of the Internet? You can find it on that weird machine in your office they call a computer. Sorry, Andrew. All Dan has is an IBM Selectric and a photocopy machine. The trail of deceit here is enough to warrant the public flogging of Dan Rather and most of the Sixty Minutes staff. We'll leave the lovely Mrs. Knox out of it because flogging the elderly isn't nice. But I can point my finger in her face and call her a bitter, old, partisan hack with a questionable memory and an unquestionable agenda. And let's remember why I am harping on this story, Brad (that's Brad the Troll I'm addressing). It's the media, stupid. You want someone who is addressing the AWOL issue, I'm sure it won't be hard to find a blog that's doing so. What Brad doesn't get - or refuses to address - is that a major, respected newscaster on a major, respected broadcast news station used false documents - and most likely disreputable sources - to prop up his agenda-driven, partisan story on the president, two months before the election. And it's become even more than that over the past few days. What is it with the current trend of people not taking responsibility for their actions? Is this the new way to deal with people when confronted with the possibility that you did something wrong? Evade, be ambiguous, blame someone else, engage in moral equivalency, pout, stamp your feet and act outraged and defiant that someone is actually calling you out on your bullshit. From two year old toy thiefs to middle aged middle managers, from drunk-driving movie stars to drunk-with-power news anchors, that seems to be the modus operandi when the headlights are turned on. There was a point in all this when I would have still been able to maintain some respect for Rather. Maybe a few days back, if he had addressed the issue immediatley, called for an investigation and confessed that maybe, just maybe, he had inadvertantly used false documents in his story, he could have saved some face. Even if he was bullshitting us and we knew it, it would have done far less damage than his ridiculous posturing is doing now. The problem is, CBS is digging a deeper and deeper hole and if they aren't careful (oops, too late), they are going to take the media in general into that hole with them. It's time for the other networks and affilliates to start shoveling the dirt on Rather and CBS, instead of being buried with them.

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Ya gotta hand it to Rather. He's got chutzpa. Staring at a crowd of a million people telling him he's got egg on his face, he says, "I want to break the story, if you can prove that the yolks on me..."

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

I don't want to belittle the significance of the apparent shafting of CBS by sloppy reporting, but if the White House got these memos and saw them, why didn't Bush jump up immediately and say, "Whoa! Just a cotton-pickin' minute! I never disobeyed a direct order! WTF is this?" I'm not saying it's right to make up evidence of something you "know" to be true, but this is something that's really bugging me.

If he has said something along those lines (not just "I served") and I missed it, I apologize.

- Michele - Think collaboration - B is a prolific writer, albeit a nutcase, H has a history of fraudulent doc's and trying to peddle them....

- So now Rather wants to investigate himself - Gives the term "Intrepid journalism" a whole new meaning...

- This morning's gaggle of talking heads are generally making Rathers intransgence, stonewalling, and decidedly unjournalistic logic, as he stands bravely awash in the distruction of his own credibility, an out and out joke....

- Watching him last night do everything but stick an ice pick in the old gals ear to coerce her to say Bush disobeyed orders, If I were sitting there Rathers nose would have been in a great deal of imminent danger...Man I want to see that pompus liberal synchophant take a header...

Note from the ASV Task Force on Taming Trolls: Brad has officially been banned and this comment deleted.
Brad, darling, there is only so long I will go on letting someone use my site to pick a fight with me, especially when that person is smug, condescending and arrogant towards me. You are a baiter, Brad and baiters suck, to put it plainly.
Feel free to visit Brad at his blog if whinging arrogance is your thing.

This has been a Crushing of Dissent announcement.

Ever notice something (I promise this is sorta on-topic)? Blogs have had a lot of boosters among politicians, pundits, and journalists on the Left and on the Right. But ever notice how virtually all of the people who sneer at blogs and bloggers are left-leaning mainstream journalists and pundits? Doesn't that say something about who is really threatened by the ability of blogs to upset the unified Big Media narrative and agenda-setting function and to fact-check Big Media stories? I mean, you never hear, say Rupert Murdoch or Ed Gillespie or Bill Buckley complaining about Kevin Drum and Daily Kos, even when they have a story way wrong, because the Right is comfortable with there being a debate on these types of things.

You banned Brad? Oh, poor baby. He must be having a conniption right now.

Solonor,

I think the White House is just sitting back and watching the show. letting Dan dig himself deeper and deeper. I read somewhere that the WH had found more TANG related documents and is aboutto release them.

Rove vs. Rather.

My money's on Rove.

Crank,

I believe that the sneering is because of the Sneering and Advanced Sneering seminars taught at the Columbia school of Journalism. Only the true disciples of the left have the sneering skills capable of mounting sneering campaigns against their targets.

I know several people who thought that their undergraduate training in Snubbing and Pish-Poshing would prepare them for that program, but they washed out in the first few weeks.

- For the most part Crank - But some on the right like O'Reilly, show distinctive signs of suffering from bloggophobia as well - Probably "chronyism", the oldline journalistic mentality "We had to walk 35 miles through a blinding snowstorm, shoeless, to journalism school, uphill both ways, carrying 60 lbs of text books"..."You pajama pundits are a bunch of uncredentialed, unregulated, hobbiest news nuts..." - Good example was watching Lori Ingraham take O'Reilly to task on yesterdays show....

- B/H/CBS/DNC/Mary/various 527's....Getting a peek at Kinko's transmittal records would be, in the words of Arte Johnson, ..."Veddy veddy interesting comrades"....

-- What is it with the current trend of people not taking responsibility for their actions? Is this the new way to deal with people when confronted with the possibility that you did something wrong? --

60S BOOMER LEGACY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Moral Equivalency, no blame, no guilt, no bringing me down, after all, it IS all about MEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME! I have in inalienable right to be happy 24/7/365 - I don't ever want to grow up!

This is at LGF for Brad:

Joseph M. Newcomer, whose exhaustive technical analysis of problems in the CBS Killian memos demonstrates the forgery beyond a shadow of doubt, has asked me to post his statement on the issue:

***
I do not like George Bush. But as I explained to one correspondent, if he had produced a document which Fox claimed to be authentic, which castigated John Kerry for being AWOL the day he was supposed to be on the swiftboat, Brit Hume put his reputation behind it, and it looked like a modern forgery, you can be sure I would have ripped it apart as thoroughly as I have the CBS memos. I know that some people wouldn’t like this, but my view is that if CBS is allowed to get away with forged Bush memos, what other network or print journal would try to get away with forged Kerry memos? And once the media pundits figure out they can lie to us about this, what else can they lie to us about? To me, this has been an issue of journalistic integrity. I don’t often get a chance to make the truth so apparent.

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Glad to see you back, Michele. I really don't know with all the brouhaha how you could have stayed away.

"What is it with the current trend of people not taking responsibility for their actions? Is this the new way to deal with people when confronted with the possibility that you did something wrong?"

Y'know, Michelle, I've been kind of wondering about that too, ever since Osama Bin Laden slipped away at Tora Bora, ever since those WMD's didn't magically appear from Ali Baba's cave, and ever since the Iraqi army which we disbanded morphed into a tough insurgency armed with the weapons we didn't secure and just let them steal.

It's a moral shame that the country's deteriorated to the level of Dan Rather. And I suppose that, reluctantly, I'd have to rename CBS as the Excuse News Network, just like we have the Excuse Presidency.

Though I do think public flogging for every baby boomer who indulges in self-serving excuses is a little extreme.

- Repost
- DNC Letter to all precinct captains...List of things we can't draw attention to during Kerry's campaign:

1) Cambodian Chrismas cards.
2) Autographed Copies of Kerry/Ho Chi Min fund raising dinner guest list and "Win with Min" campaign buttons.
C) Any references to the "Amazing dissapearing Vice Presidential Candidate", be sure to hide all copies of the Edwards best seller "Upstaging your running mate for fun and profit".
ii) Kerry's 20 year senate record. Stay on message. Yes he served in the senate. But he never inhaled.
15h) Wisconsin football stadium names.
1) Any mention of Iraq. We've already covered that in 18 different ways.
ix) Anything to do with abortion. Just say Kerry believes in Doctors rights and let it go at that.
4) Wasteful consumption. Yes the family owns 11 cars, 6 SUV's, and an Oil Tanker, but Kerry has never been told.
1) All questions pertaining to TANG memo's or Kinko accounts. If asked Kerry and Rather have not been on speaking terms for the last 2 weeks.
K9) Simply smile serenely at any jokes about "57 sides of every issue".

- For all "face time"/Photo Ops/Interviews
x) Frame all response's to any and all Questions starting with "John is a genuine war hero who......" and ending with ".... now that should be crystal clear"
6) An alternate thats acceptable is ...."That draft dodging lier Bush [anything that comes to mind]...and he should explain it to the American people".

- Footnote concerning Terasa...
- Anytime she says something "pithy" counter with ... "Well everyone loves her, shes such an earthy sexy Lady and she doesn't believe in politics, and anyway everyone knows shes just kidding"...

Please take note: From now on I will be deleting ALL OFF TOPIC comments on my posts, whether the poster of the comment agrees with me or not. This is my biggest blogging pet peeve and I am not going to tolerate it any more.

Thanks for banning Brad - he's a bore.

What is it with the current trend of people not taking responsibility for their actions? [...] Evade, be ambiguous, blame someone else, engage in moral equivalency, pout, stamp your feet and act outraged and defiant that someone is actually calling you out on your bullshit. [...] From drunk-driving movie stars to drunk-with-power news anchors, that seems to be the modus operandi when the headlights are turned on.

See the Oval Office. I believe on this one, the buck actually DOES stop there.

I'll make no defense of CBS, Dan Rather, or whoever ginned up those memos. A pathetic episode all around, and one whose damage, whatever it may be, will be mostly absorbed by the Democrats. (Otherwise, I suspect you'd still be in "retirement.")

The memos appear to be a case of fraud from which CBS, whether culpable or merely incompetent, foolishly refuses to back away. Regardless, the case against Bush is proven without them, refuting years of his dissembling and misrepresentation.

So why is it that CBS's dishonesty is so much more critical in your mind than that of the President? No real Saddam/Osama links? No WMD? The forged Nigeria documents? No high-level responsibility for Abu Ghraib? A president who shirked even easy duty altering the terms of present soldiers' and guardsmen's enlistments?

The collapse of media journalism's role as truth umpires is disturbing and maybe even a crisis for democracy, but it didn't began last week at CBS, and it's a lot less troubling than what's gone on at the White House for the past four years.

If this gets me banned as a troll, I guess I'll live. I don't know what Brad said, finally, but he didn't read like a troll, just someone like me who came here to discuss opposing viewpoints. You seemed to balance your political views with a human honesty.

But unless you want to be more than a cafeteria queen with a closed circle of admirers, you should square your screaming obsession with this with your willful blindness to what's actually important right now: not AWOL, not Dan Rather, but the wreck this administration has made of Iraq, the war on terror, and potentially the whole Middle East.

Of course, it's your blog, and you can blog about whatever you want to. (Blog about Johnny Ramone--please!) But when you write about politics, what you choose NOT to discuss IS an issue. You can't crow about your importance to the national media--which seems to matter to right-wing bloggers as much as the memos themselves--and then say "I'm just a blogger" when you don't want to be accountable. And no, I'm not excusing CBS, I'm just saying accountability has to start somewhere.

If it's not valid to note the contradictions in what you do and don't flip out about, then go ahead and ban everyone who doesn't agree with you, and change your "Comments" section to just "Compliments."

Solonor,

Here's what Scotty McClellan said about the Killian memos: We had every reason to believe that they were authentic at that time.

Given that he's Bush's spokesman and, uh, obviously has Bush as a source, that's a pretty damning regarding the accuracy of the content.

The content was also verified by the Secretary, the guy in the desk next to Killian, Strong, Hodges originally and even the son originally only disputed the CYA memo.

It's the content, stupid.

BTW - Michele & the rest of the right, please, please, please - keep pushing this issue, hopefully all the way through the election. Did you see the latest Harris poll in the Wall Street Journal? OOUUCCHH!!!!

pk,

Seems to me this comment of your confirms michele's post quite perfectly.

Man, you lefties are really in desperation mode aren't you? Of course, you have to be, and Rather knows it, because every time Kerry opens his mouth, some completely inane comment comes out. Even Imus, a Kerry supporter that interviewed him yesterday was left with a "WTF?"

1. W never said Niger.

2. Brit still standing behind their intel - Congo and Somalia, IIRC.

3. Wilson/Plame have an axe to grind. They lied - discredited.

4. Brits and Italians wonder if it was the frogs behind Niger. That's current info, BTW.

5. Bringing up Niger means you're not paying attention to the above.

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A president who shirked even easy duty altering the terms of present soldiers' and guardsmen's enlistments?
????????????????????

And what terms are those? Get your points, you're out. He did, he's out. Kerry got his 3 PH in 4 months, he was out, too.

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-- No real Saddam/Osama links? No WMD? --

Took us 30 years to prove Tet was a success. We never bombed the RR before the war. Jury's still out.

--
No high-level responsibility for Abu Ghraib?

Over 500 court-martials in WWII, I don't seem to remember Ike going down for those.

---

And where is Osama? Some think he's goo - well dried goo now.

'Not even wearing pajamas'... Naked! I tell you these digital brownshirts are naked in their living rooms! And online!

Uh oh ... I think I wrote a bannable post too.

PLEASE ACCEPT MY CORRECTED POST: DAN Rather he bad man, very very bad man. Me no like. Michele very very good. Please more posts about Micah and Rall and Rather. They very bad. John Kerry very bad. Bush good. Very good.

Sing it. sister.

Wooo, I'm glad you're back.

It seems that CBS has already taken a brutal hit in the Nielsen Ratings,per Drudge.People are done with him,the market will take care of this on its own.

The White House will stay clear of any investigations,legal inquiries or any other tactics on this one,lest they look like they are 'Squelching" opposition speech.Like I said,the people in the marketplace will deal the death blow to Rather.

Lies make Baby Rove cry...

Flogging the elderly? Isn't Dan Rather old enough to be considered elderly? He's 2 years older than the age at which you're forced to start taking money out of an IRA and other retirement savings...

Not that the old guy should get a break, or anything. But it does make for a good excuse for CBS to can him. "We're worried about his health, and hope he enjoys a peaceful retirement."

- Michelle dear - What I want to know is what happened to the passover post...I feel like someone stole my yamulke'...

It was Rosh Hashanah, not Passover and too many people left retarded comments in the post having nothing to do with wishing people a happy new year.

"What is it with the current trend of people not taking responsibility for their actions? Is this the new way to deal with people when confronted with the possibility that you did something wrong? Evade, be ambiguous, blame someone else."

Could someone mention this to Bush.

Over at Le Conspiracy d'Volokhs, Orin Kerr writes:

The CBS memos deserve front page coverage- for a day, maybe two. They deserve some blog posts — maybe two, maybe three. But my sense is that something different is happening. My sense is that bloggers are embracing Memogate to the exclusion of other things, as if it were an enormous relief to be able to lose ourselves in the story. The story lets the right half of the blogosphere feast on some of its favorite themes: damn that liberal media, blogosphere to the rescue, etc. Don't get me wrong, those are good themes. But at some point the hearty appetite begins to look like escapism. And I think we've reached that point, if not passed it long ago.

- Hmmm... and here I always was taught that Rosh Hashanah was the beggining of the holidays... guess I need to get moi' back to a synagog... To earl .. Ahh damn....can't we feast on this carcuss just a little while longer ... tastes so good....

- Double Hmmmm ... Seems ole' John (pocketa pocketa pocketa) Kerry hasn't been quite forthcoming concerning his own records as he's claimed...He has repeatedly declaired that "[All] of my records are shown on my campaign website"...

Well....errr...not quite...

- Now the fearless confused Sen. is apparently calling the entire Navy department a pack of unprincipled liers... That scalawag bunch of Jing' Jus' Naval people say that there are some 36 pages of info that John won't release.

- Maybe we'll get to see them by the time Hillery runs in 2008 if we even still care. After all Kerry does love to do 180's.

- There's this dicey business about the exceedingly long time, maybe as much as 16 years that passed before he got his discharge....

- Maybe we should see if Rather wants to look into it.....

YEA!!! Welcome back...

Its time for the Hulk to SMASH CBS!!!!

Gee, earl, thanks for the advice but I think maybe we'll keep after this one for, oh, let's say as long as CBS has been flogging the "Bush is AWOL" story. And in case you haven't been keeping score, that's over three years now.
Fair is fair, yes?

- Ahh you gotta love it....just spent a few minutes on Arianna's terminally paranoid left wingnut site. They we jabbering along in their usual hair on fire Bush hating style. All the wild off the wall remarks and accusations we've come to know and love fron the slithering great brain dead lovebugs. I typed....

Those fascist baby killers in Karl(marx) Roves camp will never be able to prove who dummied up those documents. They distroyed the originals after they retyped them. The Goppers are just making idiots out of themselves. Its to bad that great patriot Dan Rather will have to take one for the team but theres plenty of other Liberals out there that we can recruit to play dirty tricks on those rotten conservatives.

- Loved sitting there in the total no post silence.... Me bad.....

Guess we won't have Brad to kick around anymore.

Darn.

jk,

How about "I'm just a blogger,

not a reporter,

but it was bloggers who broke this"?

better?

Bloggers, can't we just move along? You've had your fun criticizing Dan Rather, but he was taken in by a Rovian dirty trick. It's Bush's fault. Repeat that over and over, it's Bush's fault. So leave Dan alone, and whatever you do, don't draw any connection between the forged memoes and the DNC or my campaign. That would be wrong, and dirty politics. It's Bush's fault.