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Are you having a protest or a picnic?

Organizers have asked that the city consider helping to defray the cost of equipment, which Ms. Cagan said would run at least $150,000 more than it would have in Central Park. In addition, organizers are asking the city to help provide access to things like water and transportation, since the new location is far from mass transit and lacks the shade of Central Park.
Wow, times have changed. The spirit of Woodstock is howling from the great beyond. Wimps. Past generations of protesters are hanging their heads in shame. Have the left become such a spoiled, self-absorbed bunch that they can't stand in the hot sun for a few hours for their cause without having a port-a-potty and free water nearby? It takes reall balls to ask the city you are about to distrupt to provide for your creature comforts while you are protesting. Seriously, this is a disgrace to your 1960's forefathers of activism. Even back in the late 70's when I was doing the no-nukes tour, we would have rather died of thirst before asking the government to provide us with water. Perhaps you would like the mayor, his staff and the NYPD to make your signs, stand in your place when you're tired or shout your slogans for you? Hey, they'll let you tie up the West Side Highway for a few days and they'll also throw in 1,000 pictures of Hitler, some crayons, cardboard and Elmer's Glue! Pack a freaking umbrella and a cooler, people. Nobody owes you anything.

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The G-8 protestors in Savannah were asking the city for cash after the conference was over because their turnout was low. They said it would have been higher if the city hadn't enforced all the things the city did in the name of security.

I'm sure the city isn't providing any services whatsoever for the convention, so everything you are saying is absolutely fair and correct.

But if not shitting in the grass and bushes of Central Park makes them wimps, I'm all for their continued and sustained feebleness.

I'm not sure I get your point, Jon. The city is providing services to the convention because a) the organizers of the convention were INVITED to the city and b) the convention will be providing economic stimulus to the city, thus giving back whatever the city spends on them.

They are NOT protesting in Central Park, so no need to worry about the shit stains on the grass. They'll be over at the West Side Highway. They can piss down the storm drains.

The UFP&J decision to cave into the city has prompted a big backlash from many NYC-ers who feel that the Central Park is a common area. Many local activists are promoting the idea of gathering in Central Park on the morning of August 29th in groups smaller than 20, and then either staying the the park to do their own thing, marching through the park, or marching out of the park on the way to the larger protest on the WSH.

"Come to Central Park on the morning of August 29th, gather in affinity groups at a location of your choosing (see a preliminary menu below), and do your thing from there a feeder march to the "official" protest, arts in action, a people's park picnic, whatever."

http://nyc.indymedia.org/newswire/display/97791/index.php

Its important to note that this call isn't advocating illegal action, nor is it saying that people shouldn't eventually go the rally if that's their deal. what it is saying is that Central Park belongs to us, the people of NYC, that we will be there in force on the morning of August 29th, and that we will then decide for OURSELVES what to do later in the day.

This reminds me of the "epic" porta potty battles that FreeRepublic had with various peace protesters.

See the FreeRepublic people paid for their own porta-potties. Some protesters in addition to marching and listening to speeches decided an effective way to protest would be take shits in FR's potties.

Reclaim the Park -

And what the denial for protest permit in Central Park means is that if the individual groups of 20 or less should begin to congregate and become a nuissance, and someone should happen to complain - the NYPD is within their rights to kick them OUT of the park for assembling without a permit, AND if they get unruly in doing so, arrest them.

That's why you GET a permit in the first place. So that the interests of the City, the public, AND the protestors can all be weighted together. What the City has said is that they would rather not see Central Park stomped into oblivion by 250,000 protestors. GET.OVER.IT.

I love a good protest. I try to season it with some good pot and getting laid afterward.Change the world, pee where ever.

Protesting is for rebels, and very cool.These people are not rebels, they are victums with a bizarre sense of entitlement.

If you want to be heard, start a blog. Of course that takes work , courage, brains, and a sense of self respect.

Michele, keep the kick ass machine reved up.:)

"Pack a freaking umbrella and a cooler, people. Nobody owes you anything."

But... but... with all the other members of my cadre, and umbrellas and coolers for all of them, there won't be enough room in mommy's car for the giant puppets!

I think it's okay for the city to say no to the protesters' requests (not just in theory, but in this actual instance), but having them ask for toilets isn't exactly going against the spirit of Woodstock.

As for economic stimulus: these protesters are going to provide many fines to the city, the pot dealers will get a major cash influx, many vegetarian restaurants will be full, bike stores will sell many U-locks for protesters to attach themselves to convention sites, and so on. And glaziers will make some money after the Starbucks and McDonald'ses (is that the correct plural?) get attacked.

Which isn't to say they should get welcomed. But if money is all that matters...

In related news, I am demanding that A.N.S.W.E.R. buy me a new Camelbak and some goretex before I deploy to Iraq. Let's all hold our breath until we all get what we want :)

This request comes as no surprise to me. Over the course of the last few years, we have seen protestors display every vile attitude known to man, all the while screaming that their rights have been abridged. And, the general public has put up with it. So, now the City of NY is saying NO, you cannot tromp Central Park into mud. We will allow you to march past MSG and then congregate on the WSH.
This is not okay people! They want Central Park and porta potties and water trucks or else, or else, or else... You are abridging their rights!
But when thinking about it, if a few potties and a water truck would keep them over on the WSH it might be worth doing. How about Happy Meals; do you want the nuggets or the burger?

wow, that really sheds some light on the term 'liberal pussy'. And all this time I thought it was just a term of edearment; I come to find out that they really are whinning ninny's. Another great import brought to us by france no doubt.

Perhaps some kind sould can donate a tanker full of water for these poor souls. Preferrably one laced with 409.

The melee over the portapotties would be epic.

But Michele, these ARE the protestors from the 60s. Its just that they are the older, entrenched intellectual elite now and they can't handle that all day heat and discomfort like they used to. Its amazing how a little luxury (brought to you, by the way, by the very things you protest) can spoil even the most dedicated marxist ;)

Reclaim the Park: Screw you. When the protesters held a rally in front of City Hall to get some media exposure about the city telling them "take it or leave it" their were about thirty people. I'll bet your ass wasn't even one of them.

It ain't NYC residents that are going to be the bulk of that crowd, it's bridge and tunnel Woodstock wannabees. So bring your own damn water and pay your own damn way on the subway!

You said it Pengie. I'm so sick of these suburban limosine liberals screwing up my city. The anti-war protest by the UN months back brought more SUVs into my neighborhood than a month of Sundays. Park Guy, how about staying home in mom's basement in NJ and leave the big city to those of us who can handle it.

Reclaim the Park

I am New Yorker.

I do not want to have 250,000 protesters destroying my park.

My belief is that 249,000 protesters out of 250,000 protesters will leave their trash behind, will trash public toilets, will trash innocent bystanders, will trash the NYPD who are placed in the park for security purposes, and will trash the grass, the flowers and the trees. Now that protesters have a permit for the streets they will be able to trash private property. This is what happens when protesters protest, they trash things.

Protesters use this cheap, infantile tactic in order to gain attention whereby making the protest seem relevant. It is also fascistic in nature.

The protesters, (many bused in from around the country) are going to trash the city yet New Yorkers are forced to pick up the cleaning bill???

Personally,I think ANSWER or World Worker's Party should pay for the cost of repair. After all, it is their protest.

United for Peace and Justice? see Orwell for explanation.

As a New York City taxpayer - I'd rather reopen firehouses. You're bringing yourself here to protest - pick up your own bottle of Poland Spring.

Anyone reminded of this?

"Let's have a party! We can have soda and pie and invite all our friends!"

"Yeah!"

"I hope no bad people show up."

Oh GAWD. I've got a better idea...shake the bastards down to pay for the extra police shifts and property damage.

They want porta-johns? They can rent them like everyone else.

They obviously have money, to print up those signs and from selling all that swag. ANSWER can foot the bill, like they do for everything else.

"Spoiled" and "self-absorbed" pretty much nailed it, michele.

"Assigned," BG? Don't get to pick your own damn name, huh?

Sounds like a slave name to me...

To clarify: that post was in response to one that has since been removed.

A few thousand well-to-do people coming to MSG = economic stimulus to the city.

500,000 people willing to spend money, shop, stay in hotel rooms, go out to eat, and spend an entire weekend = 'trashing our city'.

I'm sorry. I think every last one of you underestimates the economic stimulus that comes from huge protests. If the city really wanted to bring resources in, they'd take them from the fatcat convention goers, and the myriad of protesters willing to shell out cash to have their views heard.

There's no point to having a giant lawn opened unless for mass gatherings. When the pope showed up years ago, I went, and so did tens of thousands of others. The 'lawn' got trampled. It happens. It's part of the reality of living in a city with millions of people.

Congress may make no law abridging where people can assemble. While New York can, it doesn't make them right in doing it.

"500,000 people willing to spend money, shop, stay in hotel rooms, go out to eat, and spend an entire weekend = 'trashing our city'."

Wow. You know nothing about protesters, do you?

How many members of the Pope's audience threw bricks at Starbucks or chained themselves together to block traffic?

Poor United for Peace & Justice. The big, bad city has turned down their demands for water, money, toilets, free subway rides, shuttle busses, etc.

I see only one solution for this awful & unfair situation.

Corporate sponsorship.

Hey, rock bands do it. ;)

the FreeRepublic people paid for their own porta-potties. Some protesters in addition to marching and listening to speeches decided an effective way to protest would be take shits in FR's potties

..and that, in a nutshell, is the mission statement and protest plan of the 'peace and justice' crowd.

After a while people get tired of all that shit.

When the pope showed up years ago, I went, and so did tens of thousands of others. The 'lawn' got trampled.

Er, rawb? That's the friggin' point. After constantly having to spend tons of money to restore the Great Lawn--leaving it inaccessible to New Yorkers for long stretches of time--the city decided "enough is enough" and now restricts the size of groups receiving permits to use it.

UFP&J told the city they were gonna draw 250K, the city said "no way you can have the Great Lawn." The protesters stamped their feet and DEMANDED they be given a permit for the Great Lawn. Bloomie, bless 'em, said "Fuck these clowns" and told Kelly to do whatever he wanted to do. Kelly shoved their asses down to Chambers Street, by Ground Zero.

Plenty of other groups are having protests, all around Manhattan, because they worked with the city. These idiots thought they could bully the city. Maybe, three years ago, it would have worked. Not anymore.

Pack a freaking umbrella and a cooler, people. Nobody owes you anything.

Spot on. They have the right to protest/free speech/free assembly, not the right to be comfortable.

Bet that confused a few people.

Water, yes that fine. No problem there, after all it's a potential life safety issue.

As for the rest - they can take a flying leap, and they better be prepared to pay for the cleanup costs as well.

Jesus Christ, don't you people know any other songs? Nobody owes you anything, liberal weiner, entrenched intellectual elite blah blah blah b-blah, ship 'em off to Iraq and make 'em work for a living!

Yeesh. What, you've got, like, six thoughts and you just play them over and over again?

Jesus Christ, don't you people know any other songs? Nobody owes you anything, liberal weiner, entrenched intellectual elite blah blah blah b-blah, ship 'em off to Iraq and make 'em work for a living!

Umm, Lefty? What radio station is playing in your head? Because none of those "songs" are actually playing here.

UFP&J demanded, like a spoiled two year old, that the city do exactly what they wanted, and the city said "No." And that, my friend, was a song they had never heard before. And then they threw a tantrum, which the city ignored, like any responsible adult should on such occasions.

Now eat your veggies or there's no dessert for you, young man!.

"ship 'em off to Iraq and make them work for a living!"

Amazing!

An actual intelligent idea from "The Left".

You first "Lefty".

Don't forget your "I luv Saddam! He's tan, rested and ready" T-shirt.

Trust me, you'll be a big hit with the locals!

I am sure the Tides Foundation would be happy to provide a grant, and maybe even some condiments.

[quote]If the protesters "want to find corporate sponsors for their protests, let them go ahead," he said. "New Yorkers shouldn't have to see their tax dollars spent on subsidizing protests."
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Top 10 Corporate Sponsors for the Aug 29th Protest march.

10 - Bambu Rolling Papers - "making the colors brighter since 1965"

9 - Metro Masonry - "Anti-capitolism Sale, buy one protest brick get the other at half price"

8 - Flex Cuffs - Showing "Restraint" to the feeble unwashed masses.

7 - Johnson Pepper spray - Now with "Aloe"

6 - Oaktag Paper - Not just for 3rd grade art projects anymore.

5 - New School of visual arts - Now Learn how to make everything you draw look like Hitler

4 - Kodak film - Our film process brings out that "crimson" color.

3 - The Sean Penn foundation - Thoes 32 cent royalty checks from "Fast Times at Ridgemont High" just keep rollin in.

2 - America Online - Cause you cant spell Asshole without AOL.

1 - Master Card
- NYC subway Metrocard - 2 dollars
- Xeroxed copy of "no blood for oil" sign - 5 cents
- Watching a NYC cop who was just spit on by an anti-war protester using his billy club to voice his displeasure - PRICELESS

Actually, #5-The New School, works perfectly.

Asshat ex-Senator/War Criminal/911 Commission member Bob Kerrey runs the dump.

The police learned long ago that to stop hairy peaceniks from turning into smelly anarchists, just lob a hacky sack into every group of four or more. Soon the chants of "Down with the corporate state!" and "Bushitler eats puppies!" turn into soft conversations about Phish concerts past and whether the pot is better in Northern California or Western Oregon.

"And what the denial for protest permit in Central Park means is that if the individual groups of 20 or less should begin to congregate and become a nuissance, and someone should happen to complain - the NYPD is within their rights to kick them OUT of the park for assembling without a permit, AND if they get unruly in doing so, arrest them. That's why you GET a permit in the first place. So that the interests of the City, the public, AND the protestors can all be weighted together. What the City has said is that they would rather not see Central Park stomped into oblivion by 250,000 protestors. GET.OVER.IT." - Sherard

There is just something about the concept of a "Protest Permit" that is as deliciously absurd as it is absurdly statist.

That's just WRONG. ;)

"I'm sorry George, but we can't very well meet in Philadelphia to sign this Declaration - we haven't been given a Rebellion Permit by the British."

"Oh, pooh. You're right, Benjamin. Can't we do it without the silly permit for once? We'll throw in something about 'The Right to Peacebly Assemble' and "shall not be infringed' to cover - that worked nicely on the guns thing."

"Nope. Nope. Can't be done. Wouldn't be prudent. If we're going to do this rebellion properly, we have to observe all the Proper Forms, and the Forms say: 'One must have a rebellion Permit'. Don't worry - '77 we've been told we're a shoe in for a permit... I have an 'In' with George V."

snicker

Michele is right, only she didn't carry it far enough. Both Left and Right are kinda losing the concept a bit. ;)