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[What follows is an unedited temper tantrum] bq. BREAKING NEWS CIA contractor at Afghanistan detention facility to be indicted in death of prisoner, according to government sources. Details soon. Stop saying we are just like them. Stop saying we are terrorists. Terrorists do not try to right their wrongs. They reward people for the very act this contractor will be indicted for. The more I read the more I believe that there are people who do not want to fight the war on terror. There are even people who believe the war on terror does not really exist. The fact that Iraq and al Qaeda have a long, sordid history together is not something to be swept under the rug just because they didn't combine efforts to bring America down. This isn't a time for the moonbats to be laughing, pointing and saying I told you so. But they are doing that, just because they feel righteous and smug for having their version of the truth validated, even if they forget that the president never stated that Saddam was in on 9/11. If you read the report (read statements 15 and 16), you should be, instead of slapping high fives with your fellow liberals, getting chills down your spine. There was plenty of cooperation between Iraq and al Qaeda. Plenty of connections. The statements, read in their entirety, just support the theory I've been carrying around for years; that terrorists from the Middle East - read as: those who wish to kill Americans and Jews just for the sake of cleansing the world of heathens - are really one large, if loose, organization. They have a common enemy and that in itself gives way to cooperation. Think of these groups as the NFL; training camps, drafts, CEOs, team captains. Do you want to play them in the Super Bowl? Hardly. Everyone's dead after the first kick, anyhow. So we have to take them out before the season ends. Before they have the chance to play in the big game. We lost once chance at that already. But that loss prepared us to be ready for what possibly lies ahead. Except there are people who have learned nothing from that loss. There are people who still insist that we are the terrorists, we are the bad guys, we are the team to be defeated. It's frustrating. It's depressing. These people would rather clap their hands in glee over some partisan bickering and sniping known as the 9/11 hearings than anything else. It's a damned if you do or damned if you don't world. Bush decides to invade Iraq. He's damned for it. If he didn't decide to invade Iraq and Saddam took the opportunity to flaunt his disregard for the U.N. resolutions given him by blowing us - or anyone else - up, Bush would be damned for not paying enough attention to Saddam. No one shot planes out of the sky on 9/11. Damned. Yet I distinctly remember in the days after 9/11 many people crying that the criminal Republicans in the White House saved their asses by supposedly shooting down the plane in PA. Oh and imagine if they did shoot those two NYC bound planes down. Where the hell did you want them to do that? Over a populated region? Imagine the outcry. So I'm in the pharmacy next to work today and some woman comes running in claiming that "they" blew something up in Brooklyn, it was al Qaeda, they said they would come back and they did, my god they got us again!!! Apparently, crack was on sale half price today. But you know what? For a minute there, before I realized the woman was off her rocker, I was scared. You know why I was scared? Because the war on terror is not over. We have not won yet. This woman's hallucinations are a real, possible scenario made so by the fact that WE.HAVE.NOT.WON.THIS.WAR.YET. I don't want John Kerry as my president because he will take this war and fight it like it's the job of police officers to fight it. It's not. It is not a law enforcement issue. It is an issue that takes a war like effort to finish off. There are thousands of would be terrorists running around out there and there are plenty of places for them to sign up for terrorist camp this summer. Iran. Libya. Jordan. Iraq. Syria. Just to name a few. But you go ahead and stick your head back in the sand and pretend that there's not a super dream team of America haters working together right now to bring us down. Keep believing that. Meanwhile, I'll keep hoping that we finish off the whole damn Axis of Evil after we finally get rid of those pesky "insurgents' in Iraq. You know, the ones you think are just fighting for their homeland. Oh sure, they are in a way. They are fighting to keep their homeland a totalitarian, murdering regime, though. Is that what you want? Or do you care? Well, you should because for every regime out there that loves their totalitarianism and murderous henchmen, that's a regime that wants Americans dead. So yea, let them keep going. Let them have their cake and eat it, too. Long live the rogue nations! Until they blow something up in your backyard. Then you'll be crying that we didn't do enough, that we failed the war on terror that you claim shouldn't have existed in the first place. There's no pleasing some people. While I'm in this pissed off mood, let me be frank. If you do not believe that now - today, right in this very moment - that al Qaeda is sleeping with the terrorists in Iraq, you are an idiot. Really. If you have any understanding of terrorist at all, you will clearly understand that they are all on one big dream team now. I believe in my heart that they will not get to us. I'm past that. I think the war on terror we are waging right now is a good, just war that is working. But you have to let the right people continue to wage it. Why do you fight against it? Why would you fight against it? Yea, I'm repeating this for the 80th time, at least. I don't care. I'm frustrated and out of patience. The 9/11 commission is a joke. A big, shaggy dog joke that only a few are laughing at. The rest of us are practically crying. What is the point? What is the point of it all if no one is going to believe that there are people out to get us, anyhow? Yea, the world is just this wonderful, flower filled place where everyone just wants what is best for everyone else. Must be nice to live there. But you remind me of the crackhead in the pharmacy. Reality is not your strong suit. Wake up, America. Just wake the hell up. Update: analysis of the commission statements, via Mike.

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Comments

You mean we aren't naming an elementary school after this guy?

I think most of America is awake, and it's mainly the "elites" driving the
"defeatist/destroy Bush at any cost" camp. It's like Orwell said - there are some things so stupid, you have to be an intellectual to believe them.

At least, that's my hope. I really hope I'm right here. If the reverse is true, and Americans are just easily led sheep that will believe whatever their "betters" tell them, we're in serious trouble.

But when push comes to shove, that's not how Americans are, and that's why ultimately I think the pro-victory majority is going to prevail, and completely stun the elites when it happens.

If only I could write a rant like that off the top of my head, I wouldn't spend most of my day reading blogs while I try to get rid of my writer's block ('Course, writing about something you feel strongly about is easier than writing a "white paper" for a customer on a subject you don't give a crap about.)

Great, great post. The only thing I would add about John Kerry is that his attitude appears to be let's hire 100,000 firemen so that when the next 9-11 happens we've got more "first responders". Bush wants to make sure another 9-11 doesn't happen.

Sometimes it seems like you're trying to convince yourself.

Me, I've already given up.

I agree completely. There are a whole lot of folks on the left who are being played big time in all this - including Al Jazeera, every time they play those videos of kidnap victims, and NPR and CNN every time they use the term "insurgents" instead of what those people really are: anarchists and terrorists.

We can only hope those people never have to learn exactly how much they misjudge the radical islamist fundamentalists. Oh, wait. We already have. And it gave us 9/11.

May it never happen again.

It's hard to believe that you're in a war when you see the person who's telling you that as the Devil, a Liar, and the Worst Thing in the History of America Since Britney Spears.

Me too, ditto, amen, what you said, exactly!

Allah - It will happen again. Hopefully it will be decades but probably not. They aren't going to go quietly into the night knowing that they gave us a black eye and that was good enough - they want to see us completely destroyed.

What we are doing in Afganistan and Iraq is a multi generational process - its not for the short attention span theater group - which is most of America today. the hatered in the Middle East will take multiple generations to work itself out, under Arab rule, to get rid of all the bad elements. It's like that anywhere, you capture the hearts and minds of the young and hope that the majority of them have a good attitude towards you as perceived by our thoughts and actions and that is what they carry on with their children. 50 years or so later, the country doesn't contain hostile elements bent on the destruction of the country that can incite mass riots in its favor on the whim of one person spreading hate.

Long.Hard.Slough.

This is obnoxiously long for a guest. Sorry for being presumptous.

I wish there were someone in the administration who would be the spokesperson for the "Wake the f**k up, America!" campaign.
We need someone who can, in open, public speech, talk about the WoT, and our enemy. About the limits of our system, and the neccessity of reasonable compromise in waging this war according to our "ideal" war scenario. About the impossibility of the goals set for our intelligence community, and how impossible goals get in the way of realistic ones.
Maybe a press conference like this:

"Yes, I read the report. As you know, we never said that Saddam planned 9-11. We said we were going after anyone who abbets terror of global reach. If you would like to make the case that Saddam doesn't qualify, what with his hosting of the "List of Terrorists Hosted by Iraq" in appendix A. I'm all ears. "
"If, on the other hand, you would like to make the case that there are other regimes that fit the bill, and yet go unpunished, you similarly have my attention. Please state the name of the regime, terror it sponsors, and a suggested timeline for invasion."
(mumbled question)
"No, I don't think that the commision proved that Saddam had nothing to do with 9-11. Actually, they verified that he had involvement with Al Queda. If you think a guy who has borne the brunt of our military more than once is going to leave his calling card on something like an attack on New York, you must be a college professor. If we had found living witnesses who could connect the dots between Osama and Saddam, I would be sad. I would be realistic enough to know it was fabricated. Come on, this guy killed villages, and he won't kill a few clerks who handled the doc's on something like this? Are you looking for a "Dear Diary" entry?"
(Shrill question)
"Realistically, no. The guys we are fighting don't follow the Geneva Convention, they follow the 1998 Fatwa of Osama, which pretty much amounts to "kill them all, anywhere, anytime, until there are only Muslims left. Our kind of Muslims, at that." They think it's BETTER to hack off a living civilians head, because they are terrorists. The only way in which those photos make it more dangerous for our guys is as propaganda. Propaganda via Al Jazeera for recruiting, an propaganda via our own media for surrender...and yes, I am looking at you very pointedly, Peter."

I can dream, can't I?

Brilliant, Michele. I'd love to see more temper tantrums like that.

(T-minus 10, 9, 8 until the very fools you speak of show up here and start pissing on the rug.)

Thanks for the post. I'm feeling almost physically weary from banging my head on the brick wall of denial that seems to surround me. I think "burning tears of frustration" would best describe my mood. The obsessive picking at our own sores that consumes our media, many politicians, and sadly many citizens is a serious pathology that is going to get alot of Americans killed in the end. The very real dangers and very real enemies are staring us dead in the face, but it seems no one wants to look.

Big Brother ... I'm here! :)

9/11 Commission
Staff Statement 15 - Overview
Staff Statement 16 - 9/11 Plot
Staff Statement 17 - Homeland Security

No commentary, just read up. There will be a quiz!

Already read it, Soli.

And Michele has already commented on this IN THIS VERY POST:

The fact that Iraq and al Qaeda have a long, sordid history together is not something to be swept under the rug just because they didn't combine efforts to bring America down. This isn't a time for the moonbats to be laughing, pointing and saying I told you so. But they are doing that, just because they feel righteous and smug for having their version of the truth validated, even if they forget that the president never stated that Saddam was in on 9/11. If you read the report (read statements 15 and 16), you should be, instead of slapping high fives with your fellow liberals, getting chills down your spine.

Way to make her point.

"I think most of America is awake, and it's mainly the "elites" driving the
"defeatist/destroy Bush at any cost" camp"...this is still mainly true, but the opinions of those "elites" tend to trickle down with amazing rapidity. There's an old Royal Navy saying: "Today's wardroom roast beef is tomorrow's lower-deck stew," meaning that what is being discussed among the officers will soon be a topic of conversation (probably in confused form) among the enlisted men.

I get "page not found" on those pdf links.

D. Foster brings up an interesting point. One of the big knocks against Bush is the way he spreads "the big lie" by repeating things in ways that are not directly linked, but close enough that people link them in their minds.

Ironic that the media and "elites" are doing the same thing with the negative news out of Iraq and the exhultation over the 9/11 report.

Big Brother,

Someone feeling a little defensive? "I'm here" was a joke, since you seemed to be in pre-scream about the possibility of another viewpoint being voiced. The point is ... Michele wants people to read them. Well, I posted the links to make it just that much easier.

Bryan,

The PDF links I posted work for me. The ones on the front page of the 9/11 commission site are broken, but you can fix them manually if you see the pattern :).

Someone feeling a little defensive?

Not defensive. Tired.

"I'm here" was a joke, since you seemed to be in pre-scream about the possibility of another viewpoint being voiced.

Again, I have to ask if you even read Michele's post. The whole damned thing is about other viewpoints being voiced; I just knew someone would be here shortly to confirm what she wrote. I'm not Nostradamus; it's just predictable.

And PLEASE spare me the "you don't want to hear other viewpoints" argument. It's tired, and if it were true I wouldn't spend my time here yelling at moonbats.

The point is ... Michele wants people to read them. Well, I posted the links to make it just that much easier.

She already posted links to it.

Blah blah right-wing Rumsfeld warmonger chickenhawk evil Bushies Wolwowitz and his neocon cabal for oiloiloiloiloiloil blah blah ignorant stupid bloodthirsty morons, the real axis of evil on a ranch in Crawford and blah blah blah no WMD he lied, Bushitler lied, people died died died tie-dyed peace peace peace down with the Zionists! peace peace Kyoto! they hate us they hate us they hate us and what can we do and root causes and root causes and blowback blah blah blah unilateral multinational Halliburton Enronism crony capitalism and it's all about oiloiloiloil blah blah blah, cowboyish disregard for allies, for the wishes of the world community who rise up against us, the terrorist threat is overblown and anyway, it's all our fault because we gave Saddam his weapons to begin with, photo of Rummy and Hussein, but make no mistake, he no longer has those weapons because inspections worked, containment worked, and blah blah blah Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Sudan handle it, Roy, handle it handle it, Caspian pipeline oiloiloiloil blah blah blah show me the stockpiles, anthrax CIA plant Richard Clarke said so and we believe him because and unless unless unless Abu Ghraib Abu Ghraib Abu Ghraib, square-jawed cocksucking military jarhead torturing fucks, bring home our troops! We care about the troops! We support the troops and don't you question our patriotism our love for this fucking filthy crass consumerist bullying country of redneck dolts and biblethumping bourgeois suburbanites with their SUVs and where are the CAFE standards fight the real terror, eco-terror, Israel, the US, imperialist colonialist racist homophobic and blah blah blah blah blah because dissent is patriotism and fighting against your country is really fighting for your country and our dissent keeps the nation strong and we're brave and heroic and up is down and black is white and oiloiloiloiloiloiloiloil blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah PLASTIC TURKEY!!!

Soli, a little reading for you:

http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200406170840.asp

Fair-minded person that you are, I'm sure you'll be happy to comment on Mr. McCarthy's observations and questions.

Me, I don't think the Commission did 20% of the work it needed to, and what it did produce reads like a series of defense motions.

When it finally reaches the point where the Kurds want us to get out, that's when we'll know we've overstayed our welcome. Until that time, "bring our troops home" is not an option.

We've created a power vacuum in a very unstable region. If we don't fill it, someone worse than Saddam will.

“even if they forget that the president never stated that Saddam was in on 9/11.”

Sorry Michele, but I must disagree.

Taken from Whitehouse.gov (http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html):
Presidential Letter
Text of a Letter from the President to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President Pro Tempore of the Senate
March 18, 2003
Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)
Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic and other peaceful means alone will neither (A) adequately protect the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq nor (B) likely lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq; and
(2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistent with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Sincerely,
GEORGE W. BUSH

Emphasis mine.

Aided the terrorists would including harboring them. This does not say that Saddam helped plan or activate the plans for 9/11. Aided could mean a lot of things that Saddam actually did do.

Read the statements. Plenty of what happened between AQ and Iraq could be construed as aiding. Again, no one said he was an active participant in 9/11. In fact, Bush stated specifically that Saddam was NOT.

Sorry then Michele. I assumed that by "in on 9/11" you meant actually involved. I read you wrong.

And I know that my above statement sounds like I'm being sarcastic, but it is not meant to be.

...international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Where in there does it say that Iraq was in on 9/11? We know Saddam had terrorist connections other than AQ, so wouldn't he still fit this description?

DrSteve,

Since I am indeed a fair-minded person, I would be happy to comment on the McCarthy article. I have not made any personal judgement on the Saddam-Osama connection. I found this article to be interesting.

The tone is pretty snarky ... for example, the first charge is that the report was "internally inconsistent" because senior al Qeada members insisted there were "no ties," but we know Sudan had arranged "contacts." Are we going to play Clintonian word parsing games with "contacts" vs "ties"? That's weak, very weak.

I agree that 2 senior al Qaeda are less than worthless. Why were these baboons cited at all? So that's a good point.

An allegation that was removed but not retracted, attributed to a single source, Jamal Ahmed al-Fadl about cooperation in weapons production. I need more information to make a judgement. Based on McCarthy's information, this doesn't sound solid enough to base anything on.

The Tenet letter to Congress really puts it straight on the line, as McCarthy suggests. You can't dispute Iraq ties without claiming this is wrong. On the whole, this is the strongest point McCarthy makes. Why hasn't the commission addressed Tenet's testimony? In all honesty, this makes them look very bad.

Then McCarthy says this: "If al Qaeda and Iraq were cooperating, they had to be cooperating on terrorism, and as al Qaeda made no secret that it existed for the narrow purpose of inflicting terrorism on the United States...." Talk about internally self-conflicting! Didn't he say something above about al Qaeda meeting with Iraq, mediated by Sudan, to keep stop al Qaeda making terror attacks on Saddam? Didn't he read anything from the al Qaeda statement?

Ahmed Hikmat Shakir's involvement is interesting. Was he spying for Saddam or something more sinister? Again, there isn't enough information, but this definitely should have been covered by the 9/11 plot overview.

About Atta in Prague ... eyewitnesses suck. Besides that, McCarthy is right that cell phone calls from inside the US don't prove anything, even if we could establish it was actually Atta! I can make a call from my cell phone in the US while I am in Prague, it's not even moderately hard. This is a definite hole in the report. Either there is something classified they aren't going to reveal or someone really dropped the ball in this department.

Looking at the big picture, there are indeed areas that are not addressed. What it's hard to say is whether these omissions are from classification or from incompetance on the part of the commission. Given some of the committee hearings I've seen, I tend toward the latter. On the flip side, there is nothing that has been made public which I can point to and say "aha, there is solid evidence of collaboration here."

"There are thousands of would be terrorists running around out there and there are plenty of places for them to sign up for terrorist camp this summer. Iran. Libya. Jordan. Iraq. Syria. Just to name a few."

Well, Iran is making noises like it's about ready to declare itself a nuclear power. If they're not bluffing, you can figure it half a dozen ways from there, all bad.

Iraq should have been a nice staging area to nip this in the bud.

What do you do if you beleive that NOT ENOUGH is being done to fight the war on terror? I am not going to vote for Bush in the upcoming election, cause I can't stand the half-assed way we are fighting this war. Does that mean we will have more terrorist action on our soil, and more Americans will die? Highly probable. But what else can be done to make people realize that this war is winner take all? We are not doing enough. Not enough commitment, not enough troops, and not enough firepower. We should be DESTROYING any section of Iraq that still resists, occupying Iraq like we occupied Japan in the 50's, and rebuilding that country and it's government so that it will be ablle to resist the corrosive influence of the countries around it. Democracy in the middle east now. And if we have to make Iraq a protectorate to do it, so be it. If it comes down to us or them, it should be us. But it doesn't look like we will be willing to chooose us until the situation gets a lot more grave than it is right now. Very well. You all want us out of iraq? Fine. When Iraq gets overrun by Wahabbists and Iran signs a jihad with them against the US, we hawks will be here waiting for the fencesitters and the moonbats to come around and FIGHT a WAR with the terrorists. FIGHT the WAR. IT'S A WAR!!! WHEN DO WE START FIGHTING???!!!!

Thanks, Soli. I am in broad agreement with your reading of McCarthy. My view is that the Commission's not nearly done, if its job really is to wrap up 9-11. It's done a tremendous disservice to the country in creating a set of presumptions (in coming to its published conclusions) based on wholly inadequate evidence. My admittedly uncharitable interpretation is that this suggests the Commission (or at least some of its members) never viewed its role as being to find all the answers, instead to go out of its way to muddy up certain arguments while leaving glaring holes in its own case.

Maybe others have a tidier explanation for how spotty their work has been.

If there are paychecks involved, we ought to hold them.

It is so sad to see someone so obviously intelligent and well-meaning so deluded by Bush's repetition of lies:

From the outset, President George W. Bush adopted an overbearing approach to America’s role in the world, relying upon military might and righteousness, insensitive to the concerns of traditional friends and allies, and disdainful of the United Nations. Instead of building upon America’s great economic and moral strength to lead other nations in a coordinated campaign to address the causes of terrorism and to stifle its resources, the Administration, motivated more by ideology than by reasoned analysis, struck out on its own. It led the United States into an ill-planned and costly war from which exit is uncertain. It justified the invasion of Iraq by manipulation of uncertain intelligence about weapons of mass destruction, and by a cynical campaign to persuade the public that Saddam Hussein was linked to Al Qaeda and the attacks of September 11. The evidence did not support this argument.

There is a lot more, by men and women who have served this country for a long time, in and out of uniform. Bush's policies are the biggest danger to our security. Read the statement and learn.

I hope you find some wisdom to go with your passion.

Thanks,

Michelle, I'm with you -- VERY scared we are getting to the point it is going to take another 9/11 on our soil before those who often shape public opinion realize there is still a danger out there.

I really don't think we could fight World War 2 successfully in the environment we have now.

What do you do if you beleive that NOT ENOUGH is being done to fight the war on terror? I am not going to vote for Bush in the upcoming election, cause I can't stand the half-assed way we are fighting this war.

The following question is not snarky or sarcastic (yeah, I know it's me asking it, but I'm not always like that, okay?):

Jado, who's running that you think will do better?