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Assholes of the World, Unite

Free speech and all that, I know. And my free speech gives me the right to say that these people are no better or different than the cretin followers of one Rev. Phelps who hold up "roast in hell" signs at the funerals of gays. No difference at all. Update: Turns it was the Phelps gang. Strange bedfellows, eh?

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Comments

If Ted Rall had said that Reagan was in Hawaii instead of Hell, would they have worn grass skirts and coconut bras while doing the hula dance?

What were these people thinking? Would they want the same for themselves or someone in their family during their time of grief? I understand that Mr. Reagan was a public figure, but a little common decency would have been more appropriate.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/dark2_knight/

That's just horrid.

Can't they read the signs?

NO LEFTS!

No turn on RED!

Did you really beleive that no one would say something other then nice things this week? I mean of course the press is going to go look for the handful of people who stand out in the crowd.

Also looks like "6-11" has passed without a problem.

Actually, not only are they no different from the followers of Rev. Phelps, they actually ARE the followers of Rev. Phelps.

Thank you for your helpful and insightful comment, Dan.

Ooh, I call a comment foul upon myself for redundant use of the word "actually".

I agree. Much as we are on opposite poles on Reagan (and hell, politics in general), there's no excuse for such for an appalling lack of class, tact, and perspective.

Lesley, I am SO not surprised.

Michele, I fear that these people are probably even sicker than you think. I have, unfortunately, met many people like the ones in the picture. For most of them, expressing their opinions is secondary. They are mainly interested in congratulating themselves and demonstrating their superior and uncommon virtue to the rest of us, the unwashed masses.

And Dan, how brave of you to post your real email address.

Lesley, that is really freaky, man.

Dan- I guess you are entitled to your views on the location of certain sinners after death.

That doesn't mean you have to wave a sign, scream real loud, and dance around gloating to torment the mourners.

Any cretinous goon who would do such a thing will end up in hell himself.

A friend has an LJ (the comment is locked to friends only or I'd post a link. where she gives her friends license to call RWR all sorts of names. I debated about posting something and decided not to. "Answer not a fool according to his folly lest thou be like him."

Dan's comments have been deleted. Dan is an idiot.

Franken was worse. I noticed it was time for his show to start and the service was being taped, so I turned on his show...he was playing his version of the ceremony...low-life, no class assmonkey.

Oh.good.god.

All morning we've been slipping into the kids/witness room to watch the tv and follow the funeral. I saw those people in a distance shot and wondered out loud if they were protesters. One of the attorneys, former marine, said he didn't think anyone with hateful signs would be tolerated by overwhelming honorfilled crowd.

But you know, that they did their crass, pusillanimous, perfidious act unmolested speaks volumes of the moral difference between them and the rest of the crowd.

Dan, IMHO, you are going to be the one trying to answer the tough questions when St. Peter decides whether or not to give you an entrance pass. And it ain't lookin' too good for you.

Michele

Dan's comments have been deleted.

Thank you!

Ah. Protestors. I quote: "Look at me! Look at me! Look at me! I'm important! I'm on teevee!"

Boors.

Person on Washington Journal this morning: "You know, you have to talk about Iran-Contra and the deficits and all the rest of it."

No, ma'am, you don't have to, not today. I imagine she probably doesn't unpack Manzanar every time she mentions FDR. If you can make an exception once, please make it for the next 24h.

Kudos to that policeman, who, whether Democrat or Republican or whatever, is a dignified American.

If you consider the source, you could even say this is a touching tribute to a great man. I'd say this vitriolic outpouring of hateful bile from the likes of Rall/Phelps is proof positive of a life well lived. Seriously, it would offend me more if these guys were holding up "Gipper, we miss you" signs. They reserve that treatment for facists, dictators, and traitors.

The funny part is, how can you tell if they are ultra-right or ultra-left? There really is no difference and never has been. It's just a bunch of solipsistic monkeys ranting incoherently with their "me too" flocks. The only question is ... do they hate Reagan because he "ignored" AIDS or because he "did too much" to fight it?

Very rude and very wrong. Reagan was not my favorite President by a long shot. But there's a difference between talking about a man's policies without walking on eggshells and trying to heap more hurt on his family the day of his funeral. Morons.

You're wrong for a few reasons:

1. First of all, the people that "Rev Phelps" protests never did anything wrong. They just happened to be gay. Reagan, however has an immense ammount of blood on his hands and has done a lot that could be considered "wrong." This is, just for starters, a man who called Osama bin Laden a "freedom fighter."

2. These brave people were just standing in for:

the people with AIDS that died because Reagan thought they were sinners;

the people in Central America who died because reagan thought they were communists;

the blacks in South Africa who died because reagan said the ANC was a bunch of terrorists;

the mentally ill who were kicked out into the street because Reagan cut funding for mental health;

the homeless, who didn't really even exist til Reagan took power;

the poor;

the non-white;

and everyone who couldn't be there because the amiable dunce had them killed. bless them. they are true Americans. You, on the other hand, are just a bunch of fascists.

Wrong, all of those things may be true, but the time for them to protest was when he was alive. All they're doing now is looking like idiots.

On seeing this photo, I grit my teeth in anger. On reading "wrong"'s comments, I began writing a fisking reply.

But--thanks to today's service--I soon remembered how Reagan's private diary records that the night he was shot, he prayed for Hinckley.

So begins my renewed humble effort to emulate a hero by obeying the golden rule.

Yep, Reagan is responsible for all AIDS deaths. His administration spent $5.7 billion. Also, AIDS is caused by a virus, which is almost impossible to defend against, and considering that research in the 1980s was primitive at best considering how far we've come today, I would say Reagan did all he could. Also, when Reagan called Afghans "freedom fighters," they had just been invaded by the Soviet Union. At that time, the Soviets were a bigger threat to national security than the Afghans were. And Wrong, I like how you call everyone who loved Reagan, and his belief that all people should be free, "fascists." Typical lefty move to use ad hominem attacks on people who loved Reagan.

Wrong,

1) "First of all, the people that "Rev Phelps" protests never did anything wrong."

2) Phelps protests Reagan.

By your logic, Reagan never did anything wrong. Syllogism aside, I'd say your unsupported assertions about Reagan are very questionable and gloss over a lot of complicated issues. If you want to be serious about this stuff, you need to talk about opportunity cost and actually address some of the reasons they did the things they did.

"ll of those things may be true, but the time for them to protest was when he was alive. All they're doing now is looking like idiots."

What, so we cannot protest people once they're dead? Ask youself this: if Hitler had lived to be a ripe old age and then died, would you have stood on the street corner protesting or would you have cried a little bit in fond recollection and aplauded all the roadwork he got done on the autobahn?

The Reagan funeral reminds me of those state funerals they used to have when some communist strongman like Stalin kicked it. Be a part of the mass hysteria if you like, sheep, following your sheep-herder Michelle. Some people still use their brain in this country.

Wrong – Didn’t you read the other comments? As Lesley said, the people protesting are, most likely, from Rev. Phelps godhatesfags campaign. Phelps Westboro Baptist Church's site even has a helpful picture of the signs they are carrying.

The people you label ‘brave’ are protesting Reagan’s positive efforts to prevent AIDS, which they claim was related to the death of the ‘sodomite’ Rock Hudson.

How many left-wing hate groups do you know that carry signs referring to God and Hell? Look at the picture. There are no kaffiyehs, no black bloc anarchists, no paper-mache puppets.

You’re not cheering for your own fascists here, these are the other guys

OK, you got me there. If they'd had a state funeral for Hitler, then I probably would have protested my tax money going to pay for it.

But as much as I disagreed with Reagan's policies, he was no Hitler. And standing on the streetcorner waving signs about a former President of the United States rotting in hell not only does nothing to undo policies of 20 years ago, it makes you look like an idiot.

Yes, I'm Michele's sheep. Baaa-ite me.

Well, Wrong, I imagine he didn't specifically call Bin Laden a "freedom fighter"; I reckon he probably called the Mujahideen "freedom fighters"... which at the time was absolutely true. You might wish to remember the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. fighting against the Soviet yoke to reclaim your country's independence is pretty close, no?

And, well, Wrong, you're... wrong. Reagan funded AIDS research to the tune of... what? 6 billion dollars? (This from a disease first named in 1982, mind you, two years into his presidency.)

Which people in Central America did reagan think were communists that weren't? Surely the Sandinistas really were Communists? (Nicaraguans seem to like Reagan more than you think they should. Are they just dupes?)

The ANC? Well, er, as much as they were fighting for the right end, I certainly think that putting flaming tires on civilians who oppose them ("necklacing") would count as a "terrorist" activity?

(If they aren't terrorists, why weren't the Muj freedom-fighters? I mean, if you're going to give the ANC a total pass, why hold the Muj to different standards?)

The Homeless? Right. Got some stats for that one? Or just "hey, they started reporting about the homeless a lot more once Reagan was elected! that means he made them homeless!"

Etc. Etc.

Wrong,

Be a part of the mass hysteria if you like, sheep, following your sheep-hearer Rall. How about you use your "brain" and say something that's not stupid? There were no homeless before Reagan? Uh ... yeah. There were just people without homes! This is like a facist-funeral? The part where they rounded up the protestors and sent them to break rocks in Siberia elluded me. How did they miss you?

"wrong":
if Hitler had lived to be a ripe old age and then died, would you have stood on the street corner protesting or would you have cried a little bit in fond recollection and aplauded all the roadwork he got done on the autobahn?

I'd have been killed long before I could do either.

Wrong, I'm sorry, I didn't know you were forced to attend Stalin's funeral. But I'm thankful you're not one of the 30 million he slaughtered. BTW, here in America, it's voluntary, like, you know, freedom?

Don't feed the trolls!

link "dropped"

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20040611/capt.zeb10206111551.ronald_reagan_zeb102.jpg

Geez Louise "Wrong"...

You pick that name out all by yourself?...

Yahoo slide show caption and photo together at this link

As usual, Wrong refuses to flesh out his arguments.

Who were the homeless, Wrong?

Does the activist who filed the lawsuit originally and the judge who ruled in the activist's favor have any fault in this? Why is it Ronnie's fault for following "the will of the people," or the judge? Did you expect the President of the US to defy the judge?

As to AIDS, how does one begin to track an infectious disease? The Surgeon General suggested that all the bathhouses be closed and a database be formed to track it.

Can't have that, and that wasn't Ronnie's fault. The Gay community didn't want it, the city didn't want to do and and neither did their representatives. They followed the will of their constituency and it's Ronnie's fault.

Right.

And Ortega couldn't get elected pres even tho he ran 3 times, the 3rd recently.

He might be able to be elected dog catcher, tho.

The Reagan funeral reminds me of those state funerals they used to have when some communist strongman like Stalin kicked it. Be a part of the mass hysteria if you like, sheep, following your sheep-herder Michelle. Some people still use their brain in this country.

Can you say "projection"? Knew you could.

(Odd, what I've seen of it on C-Span looked rather like a nice ceremony. I missed the drive to the church, though.)

Guess it's time to slap me on the rump and have me change my name to "Michele's lil Mutton Chop"

About the only thing Wrong gets correct is its choice of handles for its posts.

A couple of people have corrected the freedom fighter snipe, and pointed out the AIDS dollars numbers. But no matter how much money Reagan's administration did or did not spend on the issue, it was relatively quickly known that certain dangerous personal practices spread the disease - and those that didn't take the personal responsiblity to either protect themselves or their partners are a far more overwhelming cause of the spread of the disease than a man that advocated personal responsibility in one's personal life.

As for the bullshit (yeah, let's call it like it is) about the deaths in South Africa or Central America being Reagan's fault because he called it like he saw it - get a life. Putting a burning tire around someone's neck is a terroristic act. The Sandinistas were communists, and the hard core rebels in El Salvador were as Marxist as they come - and they are the main cause for the vast majority of the deaths in those countries during those years. Reagan saw these things, and he acted accordingly.

It is a fantasy to say that there were never any homeless people in America before the Reagan presidency. And it is easier to blame him for the mass turnout of people with mental problems than to blame a system that had developed no better way of dealing with such people than institutionalization and warehousing, and was unable to reform itself.

Could go on, but let me just translate it into all the Wrong seems to hear -

baaaa baaaa baaa baaaa baaa baaa

I'm ready for my shearing, Mrs C. Special clippers this time, just a bit off the top. Thanks.

Here is what Reagan's funeral reminded me of. By the way, "Wrong" -- you wouldn't have liked Churchill either. None of the appeasers in his time did.

Have they no shame. Shame on them!

It's a commonly held belief that funerals and memorials are held for the families and friends that are left behind, not for those who passed. These protestors are not protesting Reagan - they're protesting all the ordinary people who showed up to express their love and support for Reagan's family. They want to cause pain and extended grief to Nancy and everyone else who loved the man.

So to answer Wrong's question - If there were a state funeral for Hitler, no I would not protest it. I would stay at home and go about my day as if it were any normal day and I'd probably crack open a bottle of champagne that night and toast whatever deamon had drug him away from earth. But I would do it in my own home and at least give the people who loved and respected him their time to grieve.

I appreciate people who can hold a lively political discussion when it's called for and I appreciate those who can put it away when appropriate. Please learn the difference.

Wrong, you can protest, but you look like an idiot. You're also very wrong.

"Wrong" -

If you honestly believe what you are saying, come out from behind your mask and be an adult about this. Have the convictions for your beliefs and put your NAME to them.

What can you say about these folks. Rall, Hitchens, etc sure know how to exercise their first amendment rights. God Bless'm. Reagan insured those rights for a Continent of people by breaking the back of Soviet Communism. "Oh but wait Wayne, the USSR was gonna collapse anyway!" Then why the bleep were you guys screaming he was gonna start WWIII when he called them an Evil Empire? When he told them to FREE east Germany? If the USSR was gonna collapse anyway, your argument should have been "He's beating a dead horse" and not the tearful cries of the timid and cowardly.

Oh but Wayne, just because they were going to collapse anyway doesn't mean they didn't have nuclear weapons. Poking and insulting a dying empire that had the power to destroy the world with the push of a button was just brilliant, a truely masterful strategy. Failing to do enough to help Russia secure said weapons has, of course, been an even stupider failing on the part of every administration since.

No offense to Reagan, but this is the longest damn funeral I can ever remember. It's like listening to coverage of a week long low speed car chase. Jesus Christ, I hope it doesn't take 7 days to bury Ford, Carter & Clinton when they kick.

So change the channel, or turn off the tv and read a book. I'm sure they'll take care to consult you when the next ex-president dies.

Read a book?!?! I'm still at work and only one radio station comes in decently here. KFI (Los Angeles-AM) has preempted the awesome "Phil Hendrie Show" so I can hear that Ronnie had a "fondness for earlobes".

Andrea, why don't you go feed one of your 75 cats.

I would like to point out that Wrong lost this argument back at 04:38 PM when he mentioned "Hitler", thereby invoking Godwin's Law. Kthxbi.

I have one cat, "Gumby." And you shouldn't be listening to the radio at work, the "awesome" Phil Hendrie show or anything else. As for the radio station preempting your favorite show, here's a free clue: the world doesn't revolve around you.

Oh, and a few other points:

1. Unless you are old enough to remember Lyndon Johnson's funeral, this is the first funeral for a president or ex-president since 1973. So I'd like to know what funerals you "witnessed" that you are talking about.

2. The reason the motorcade went on so long was that it was driving slowly in order to acknowledge the hundreds of people lining up along the freeway and the road across the Simi Valley. I guess you couldn't really get the full impact of this without pictures. But hey, I guess they should have made it more exciting so you wouldn't be bored at work.

Sekimori:

Thank you for reminding us of Godwin's Law. It simply is not used enough, in my opinion.

It seems like every leftie argument that I've seen online lately has quickly degenerated (like, within two or three posts) into "Hitler this, Nazi that." What cretins.

Hey, you lefties: Try simply presenting facts to bolster your argument, instead of pointless and unhelpful analogies.

Andrea, I'm sorry to hear that animal services removed your other 74 cats.

I guess you missed Nixon's funeral on 04/27/94. Short & sweet.

With or without pictures it's BORING after 7 days of continuous coverage. Nothing more riveting than listening to non-stop play by play of a slooooooow moving motorcade. I want information and entertainment, and I want it now. Is that so wrong?

Yes, it's wrong, just as it's wrong to accuse women who disagree with you of being crazy beings who own a zillion cats. Got any other charm to offer?

And gee, I wonder why Nixon didn't get a big celebratory media send off, instead getting the Gumby-approved "short and sweet" treatment. Yes, I wonders...

By the way, it looks like Nixon got the same elaborate, long, non-Gumby-approved funeral that other ex-presidents get. We just didn't get the total news coverage, probably for some reason that escapes me right now.

gumby,

that's why you have the Internet. It isn't "pre-empted" like radio. Besides, I've got news for you, there ain't that much going on today OTHER than the Reagan funeral.

can you say "self-absorbed"? I knew you could.

Gumby, you can't always get what you want. So turn off the TV, switch radio stations, read a book, take a hike, STFU, and go back to playing with Pokey.

"the mentally ill who were kicked out into the street because Reagan cut funding for mental health;"
posted by Wrong

And, of course, it's wrong. Look up Rosslyn Carter. Read my posting on the very topic. That stemmed from a grassroots movement from the inmates themselves- Reagan respected their wishes, dumba**

I love watching the lefties tie themselves in knots trying to defend the actions of their despicable fringe elements.
Suck it up, guys, and denounce them.
I'll go make some popcorn.

Gumby

I was nine years old when JFK was assassinated, and I actually remember the week long suspension of "regular" life while the memorial and funeral went on...all on TV in glorious black and white.

I remember getting a little annoyed because my favorite tv shows weren't on.

But, you see, I grew up.

What's your excuse?

Ronald Reagan’s allies included Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein.

these people are no better or different than the cretin followers of one Rev. Phelps who hold up "roast in hell" signs at the funerals of gays. No difference at all.

Not to be a jackass, but I think the protesters pictured would say the different between them and the "God Hates Fags" crew is that Reagan is guilty of some rather henious crimes.

"Not to be a jackass" -- sorry, you are. Next!

"Remember" -- oh my, hindsight really is twenty-twenty. I suppose you have the ability to predict the future course people will take. Which means that if someone you know, or support, or have worked with, goes bad, then we can blame you. It's so comforting to have someone to blame.

When the "Reverend" Phelps passes away, I think I'll stand outside his funeral holding a sign saying simply, "Matthew 7:1-5"

Wrong has the mantra down pat.

Wrong...do actually believe all those lies you are writing? Are you actually that bloody stupid? Or are you just parroting from the DU "I hate Reagan" briefing paper.

Remember Reagan...they weren't friends they were jsut useful, big difference idiot. Of course, the Soviet Union only had caring & sharing friendly countries...genocidal nuts like Castro, Ortega, Kim Il Sung, the Syrians etc etc...

Uh, tas, maybe you didn't read the whole post, but these guys are the "godhatesfags" crew.

Jackass.

"Remember" -- oh my, hindsight really is twenty-twenty. I suppose you have the ability to predict the future course people will take. Which means that if someone you know, or support, or have worked with, goes bad, then we can blame you. It's so comforting to have someone to blame.

Actually, my "jackass" comment was made because I have foresight. But it's ironic that you cite "hindsight" as the cause for my preface, especially on the topic of being a jackass, given the way you just acted.

Thanks for addressing my points and doing your best to not turn this into a flame war, BTW. Your maturity is appreciated.

Uh, tas, maybe you didn't read the whole post, but these guys are the "godhatesfags" crew.

Uh RyMaN, that was an update made after I posted my comment. If you're going to lambaste me for this gaffe, spread your criticism equally. Mr. Simon practically blamed Ted Rall for these protests in his first comment, which helped set the tone for everyone thinking this wasn't a group of reactionaries from Kansas.

I was about to say that I haven't seen confirmation that this was the doing of Fred Pheleps gang of (actual) jackasses, but this is proof positive.

Of course, these jackasses want Reagan to burn in hell because he eventually did something about AIDS. In the other side of the fence, many people question Reagan's membership into the Angelic Club because he waited too long.

The most telling part of this photo is the "no left" turn sign.

Darleen:

"I was nine years old when JFK was assassinated, and I actually remember the week long suspension of "regular" life while the memorial and funeral went on...all on TV in glorious black and white.

I remember getting a little annoyed because my favorite tv shows weren't on. But, you see, I grew up."

So you are about three years younger than I am, which means you were alive when presidents Eisenhower, Truman, Nixon, and Hoover died (not necessarily in that order).

Do you remember their funerals? I only remember Nixon's, but that's because I watched to see if anybody showed up.

In November 1963 the media was focused on Kennedy's assasination and funeral, but he was a sitting president and the nation was in shock. Reagan's death was not a surprise, nor do I see any reason why his death was a Bigger Deal than Eisenhower's or Truman's.

I mean no disrespect to Reagan, but other things HAVE been going on this week (the G8 summit? The UN vote on Iraq? Heard about those? I'm sure President Bush would like you to have heard about them, as events went in his favor, for the most part.).

And I don't remember that Kennedy's funeral went on for a week (maybe it did), although I do remember watching Lee Harvey Oswold get shot live on TV. Reality TV, indeed.

Only real difference with Nixon is that he had decided not to have a state funeral in DC. He didn't get along too well with DC. Imagine that.

For the rest who are of the opinion this is just too much coverage for you..change the channel. It's important to a great number of Americans.

Which is what really bothers you about it.

I mean no disrespect to Reagan, but other things HAVE been going on this week (the G8 summit? The UN vote on Iraq? Heard about those? I'm sure President Bush would like you to have heard about them, as events went in his favor, for the most part.).

actually, all those other things have been covered in the media as well. It's Friday that the only thing going on was Reagan's funeral.

bush will have plenty of time to remind people about the stuff you mentioned, but this week was for saying farewell.

Get over yerself.

I'm sure all of you who loved the week long coverage of Reagan's funeral would be just as tolerant if this were Clinton's funeral and you were subjected to 7 days of a media lovefest.

The worst part is that all federal employees got the day off at our expense. In CA all state employees got the day off at taxpayers' expense.

That's a great way to honor Reagan, by wasting tax money.

I'm going to honor Reagan in my own way. I'm going to go rent a copy of "Salvador".

That's a great way to honor Reagan, by wasting tax money.

Y'know, the irony of the left suddenly being deeply concerned about "wasting tax money" is enough to make me throw up pretty much everything I've eaten in the last twelve years. Gumby, I've heard this same tired line repeatedly in the last few days, and always from people who never seemed to mention how much anything else costs. (Hint: the Reagan funeral isn't going to cost as much as a Clinton ski vacation.)

Give it up, Gumby. I don't for a minute believe that you're offended by the cost of this thing. You're just upset that a well-loved Republican is getting this sort of treatment. Well, that, and it's disrupting your TV watching schedule. I'm all broken up about that...

Jesus Christ.........I'm not part of the left. I'm a Libertarian (voted for Ed Clark in 1980). We have a problem with wasting tax money. Republicans only claim to be in favor of smaller government. Reagan cut taxes AND increased spending (with the help of the Dems in Congress) and left us with a deficit. If government workers want to honor Reagan or any other future dead presidents they can use one of their own vacation days.

When Clinton dies we should all be reminded that he did nothing to stop the genocide in Rwanda, then years later bit his lower lip and said he was sorry. What a scumbag.

I believe in wasting tax money to prevent genocide.

Big Bro, you know as much about irony as Alanis Morrisette.

Gumby,

I don't think you know what "irony" means. Irony is you, a supposed libertarian, using arguments straight out of the leftist playbook. And, quite frankly, after your insults towards others and your juvenile "this is taking too looooooonnggg! It's messing up my access to instant entertainment!!!" whining, I'm not willing to give you the benefit of the doubt.

I assumed you were a leftist, and I apologize for that. Your complaining makes you SOUND like a high-school MTV lefty. Adults usually have longer attention spans. My bad.

Oh for pity's sake, Gumby, grow up!

Not all Fed or state employees were off, and as a taxpayer you didn't lose one effing dime. You think they hired contractors to go into the offices and do the work of these employees? The same stack of forms, etc, will be right where they were at 5:00 pm Thursday and a lot of employees will just pick up where they left off and get work done. Did you have such a puerile snit-fit when government employees all over the country went home or stayed home on 9/11 "on your dime?"

I personally feed at that public tough, thank you very much, and I worked Friday, even as I stepped into our witness/kid room to follow the funeral time to time. Send me your address, I'll mail you a dime.

Republicans turned Reagan's death into a circus.

And now they are upset some clowns showed up.

Go figuire.

!!!! Word to my fellow "lefties": open mouth, insert foot. If you're so darned concerned about news that isn't being covered because of Reagan's funeral, post that news in your blog or on forums...do something & stop whining. It's sad that you would express anything other than disgust in response to the post; in effect you are endorsing not only Phelps gang but childish & pointless acts, as well. While we could argue all day about whether or not Reagan deserved the attention & sort of funeral he got, he got it. All the moaning & griping in the world won't change it. Let's do something constructive, shall we?

maha

I personally don't recall a lot about LBJ's death and funeral (I was 18... nuff said); however, another woman at my work, older than me and who has worked there for over 30 years recalled that all Fed, state and local government offices did close for his national funeral, including the courts (CA state courts did not close for Reagan).

Interestingly, Reagan's funeral was closely modeled after LBJ's. Understand, too, that LBJ died one month after Truman (who refused to have a state funeral). And it looks like Eisenhower's funeral was almost a week long national affair, too.

IMHO the carping over the Reagan coverage is nothing more than lack of character on the part of the whiners.

If Billy Jeff has planned a state funeral, as he is entitled to, I will not stand along the street where his caisson rolls by weeping and waving, but I will not whine about it or try to piss on his grave, either.

Happens to reflect the way I was raised.

Looks like IXie was raised in a barn, too.

Nod to Darleen.

Actually, IX, they are probably not suprised, pathetic & sad as it is.

Pathetic & sad being the Phelps loonies...

Gumby, the funeral is part of the bennie package.

Deal w/it.

As to Bubba, I thought he still hadn't turned in the original plan, but I bet he will now.

It just turns my stomach that our armed forces will do all this for him and he disliked them.

Somehow I think not as many AF tears will be shed.

ain't it amazing that someone can criticize others for being bigots while using the term "coolies"

Hey, Bobbie.... GAZE

Robert McClelland's comment, as usual, has been deleted.

Note to Robert: You are not welcome here. Perhaps if you would learn to keep your comments on-topic, I would allow your comments stay. However, you insist on behaving like a troll, so like a troll you will be treated.

IX - the Republicans turned the funeral into a circus? You mean unlike the quiet little funeral the Dems threw for Wellstone? Maybe you would have preferred something a little more along those lines.

A funeral - like a wedding - is not the place for partisan, personal battles. Simple good manners.

Phelps is so nutty that his alma mater, Bob Jones University, won't even let him on campus. He pickets them on the sidewalk near their main gate whenever he's in town.

IXLNXS thinks that the Reagan funeral was a circus?

You're kidding, right?

IXLNXS must have grown up in a really sad-assed town not to know what a circus really is. Barnum and Bailey must have been phoning it in that season, or perhaps his parents said they were going to a circus and took him to an airshow by mistake.

If you're looking for a real circus, I've still got the highlights of the Wellstone fiasco on tape. It's safer than ipecac.

Did i go to the trouble of saying which circus?

Now you wish to throw out the rhetoric that Reagan's funeral was like Barnum and Bailey, while the Wellstone funeral was like Clyde Beatty Cole Brothers.

Does it matter? They were both circuses. Which only further reinforces my belief that politicians, and most pundit style bloggers have no morals, no sense of decency, and no sense of decorum.

But in either case there were clowns, ringmasters, tightrope walkers, lion tamers, and popcorn, lots of corn. So perhaps pull craniums from rectums and open eyes to the fact slime is slime no matter which circus tent they perfom under.

You should know all about slime, IXSPLXLNXPXL.

As a lifelong resident of Kansas, let me make an offer - if any one of your other states would like to have Phelps, you can take him.

"Rev." Phelps is pastor at the Westboro Community Church in Topeka, and every morning my friend, a State of Kansas bioterror planner, has to walk past his gang of lunatics to get to his office. He posted a comment on my blog saying that they were holding the same kind of signs as in the picture.

When I received my bachelor's degree from Kansas State U., he and his followers were there, holding signs that said "AIDS-Kills Fags Dead!". One particularly odious sight was one girl of no more than eight years old holding a sign that depicted two men in a homosexual act inside a circle/slash, in the fashion of a "No Smoking" sign. I thought, "Later my mother will walk past these people. My grandmother will walk past these people."

May they meet the awful fate they so richly deserve.