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And Where Was Lyndon Johnson on the Day That Bush Fell Off His Bike??

Welcome once again to the readers of Daily Kos. Now, let me ask you a question: Who is pettier? Me, the person who wrote about John Kerry making a snarky joke about the president's fall, or Kos, who actually took the time to research the amount of rain that fell in Crawford, Texas last week? My vote is for Kos because, while my post may have been making a mountain out of a molehill, Kos is making a mountain out nothing but the drool and soiled underwear of gleeful moonbats. I used to dig you, Kos. Now I just want to wrap you up in tin foil and put you in a group home for conspiracy theorists. Tighter, Kos! You have to pull the cap tighter!

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I'd say it's a tossup.

Kos has found his calling as a rain gauge.

Seems that someone from West Texas (less than 20 miles from the Ranch), and a biker, admits that there could be some wet spots around - and that some of the terrain is a bit too rough for their tastes. Still, even being on the ground, and having all the clues that the story actually might be what the press release says, this is the conclusion -
All that said, I have no idea what kind of trail he was riding. But really, who the hell cares when this Administration can't tell the truth about nearly anything that really matters.

Translation - screw the facts, if we say he's a liar, then dammit (foot stomping), he's a liar! Don't clutter the issue with facts! We won't have that!

Kos is vile. He's always been vile. Expecting fairness or decency from him is a complete waste of time.

I'm just glad I've never attracted his attention.

Kos had one post on his site about the bike incident. In that post's comments section, one person had a comment that linked to you, and one person responded to that comment.

Meanwhile, you've had four or five posts on the subject.

I'd say that you win in keeping this non-story alive that much longer. Keep up the good work.

Hmm..let's see, Stan.

I had one post about Kerry's statement.

Another post with a Photoshop making fun of moonbats - that wasn't about Kerry at all, but about you freaks who want to measure rainfall.

And a post this morning making fun of Kos.

Typical leftie statement from you Stan: I know we did, but you did too!

You go right on believing that people trying to find conspiracies where none exist are the good guys. It's gotta suck to be you.

You can't be serious. You're telling me that this nutjob actually took time out of his day to investigate a bike accident? Jeeesus. Bush can't even fall off a bike in peace without Kos and his ilk turning it into a freaking alien invasion. Sigh. These people...

The Truth is Out There (and so are y'all).

Trust No One (except the Weather Channel).

Election can't come soon enough. Who cares he feel off a bike.

God, I love the Internet.

The President of the United States has a minor accident, and one side portrays it as the biggest coverup since Watergate, while the other pulls a quote from Kerry out of thin air and decides it makes him unfit for public office.

"Bush lied. The soil dried." is FUNNY! Get over it, DU dweebs. Not everything in the universe is a conspiracy.

IF Kerry made the training wheels quote (sorry, Drudge makes my skin crawl), he was probably making a bad joke about Bush's training wheels comment for Iraq. If he did say it, it was STUPID. OK? Not "omigod we can't elect him now" stupid, but rude and insensitive.

I've looked at the ugly comments at Kos's site, and they're just as ugly as the comments can get here. Everyone's being just as childish as everyone else. It's pathetic. I'm not saying we should all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, but people need to stop jumping all over others with a different opinion and calling them rude names as their main debating point!

Except for Michele. Michele is a doo-doo head. :p

michele, stop lieing- you pumped this up and now
can't accept the fact. grow up.

Holy Christ almighty, this is getting sad.

So what does Kos think they are covering up? That Laura bitch-slapped him so hard he fell down? That Rumsfeld choke-slammed him during a meeting? That Powell finally snapped and punched GW in the face?

Hey, at least Bush didn't say "I don't fall down" ( http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryid2.htm ).

Jeff, what is it I can't accept? That Kos spent part of his day charting rainfall in order to push a conspiracy that the President didn't fall off of his bike?

I pumped it up and the moonbats came and bought it up. Hook. Line. Sinker.

Thank you, drive through.

Jeff Stryker, first of all learn to spell. Secondly let's look at what the last few blog entries are about.
First the snarky training wheels entry

then an entry on the tin foil crowd
then something on obsessive retentive posters
then a Simpsons entry
then a post on a Doctorow speech
then this one.
...
I think your perceptions are a bit off.

Kos needs to get in touch with his inner Occam's Razor. I mean, if he has one. A possibility of which I'm not terribly convinced.

Given his behavior, Jen, Occam's Razor would, itself, suggest that he does not.

Oooh! Occam's meta-razor!

Of course the "Bush Lied! The soil had Dried" psychotic Bushiephobes got the original quote wrong in the first place. The White House spokesman did not say the soil was wet, only that it had been raining a lot lately and the top soil was loose.

You know, I invite all those "dry soil cannot be loose" numbnutz come out to So. Cal and bike the trails up around the Lake Arrowhead area. Maybe a tumble down a few hundred foot cliffs would clear out the cobwebs in their heads..couldn't hurt as they obviously have no brains.

Kos is Kos, ergo he is wrong. QED. How's that for Occam's Razor?

I think its both of you. One for several posts on the same silly issue, and the other for a silly post on the "issue".

Here's a lame attempt at a non-partisan response to this extremely lame thread of hot air: how about we just commend both Bush and Kerry for getting back on those bikes? Whether it was loose soil, tight bicycle shorts, a stupid secret service guy who got in the way, that Lance Armstrong guy, or cosmic rays from some dolt's forehead, I am just glad both guys are okay. Can we go back to talking about Guiness and ice cream now?

When I first read your post, I read it as who is prettier, you or Kos. Heck, it's no contest (you being the only blogger I've actually dreamed about). When I realized you said pettier, I still came up with the same answer. Go figure

Didn't everyone stop reading Kos after those repugnant contractor comments? That probably drove him over the edge.

Look, it takes about five minutes to "research" the amount of rainfall-- I don't think Kos or anyone else had to spend "all day" researching this "conspiracy." And, among other words, I'm putting conspiracy in quotes, because no one's saying that it's a conspiracy-- they're saying it's a lie. Why would Bush lie? So he doesn't look incompetent. So people don't make fun of him for just falling off a bike-- it's because it was raining (even if it really wasn't).

And if you want to talk about which side, left or right, makes a bigger deal about measuring water, why don't we talk about the false claims that Gore, in 2000, forced a reservoir to dump
quote-unquote "millions of gallons" of water for a photo op? Which was a complete non-story, as they just pushed up the schedule for a normal water release-- but I remember that being a big story, something used to "prove" that Gore was a liar who couldn't be trusted.

But that's the real question-- who do you believe when a liar tells you that his opponent is a liar?

Look, it takes about five minutes to "research" the amount of rainfall-- I don't think Kos or anyone else had to spend "all day" researching this "conspiracy." And, among other words, I'm putting conspiracy in quotes, because no one's saying that it's a conspiracy-- they're saying it's a lie. Why would Bush lie? So he doesn't look incompetent. So people don't make fun of him for just falling off a bike-- it's because it was raining (even if it really wasn't).

And if you want to talk about which side, left or right, makes a bigger deal about measuring water, why don't we talk about the false claims that Gore, in 2000, forced a reservoir to dump
quote-unquote "millions of gallons" of water for a photo op? Which was a complete non-story, as they just pushed up the schedule for a normal water release-- but I remember that being a big story, something used to "prove" that Gore was a liar who couldn't be trusted.

But that's the real question-- who do you believe when a liar tells you that his opponent is a liar?

URLidiots: They did it first/do it too defense.

Is there some way we can keep a running tally of how many times lefty trolls do this?

"only that it had been raining a lot lately and the top soil was loose."

It obviously had NOT been raining a lot lately. That is the definition of a lie. The Bushies couldn't tell the truth about what he ate for dinner, that's how skewed their version of reality is... any many of yours apparently.

Lefty, righty, hypocrity. Every side uses the "the other did it first" excuse. Honestly, NEITHER side should do it.

But-- the difference, Ryan-- is that here, there does seem to be at least a misstatement by the spokesman. Which was not the case with the "Gore river fiasco," which was completely manufactured BS.

I think the left is saying that this water/loose-soil business isn't a huge deal, but it's just sort of a bad petty lie.

Idiots, you seem to be missing what a lot of people brought up here and elsewhere - the loose, wet topsoil was NOT a lie. But don't let that stand in the way of your theories.

Well, URLidiot's convinced me. I'm a Kerry voter as of today. Anyone else?

Love these comments boxes, btw! I switch my allegiances like, 60, 70 times a day since I've discovered them.

Oops. Now Michele's convinced me otherwise. Back to Bush.

So, the real conspiracy here is that Bush's bike really couldn't have slipped on loose soil because he hadn't been raining a lot lately. Have we really investigated if the soil loose to begin with? I mean, these are details we should know. What if the soil wasn't loose at all? What if Bush simply saw a bright object and went ran into a fence? I think what we can conclude from all of this is that Bush apparently manipulated the press release to say exactly what it said. The inconsistancies certainly point to a true testimate to his pathalogical manipulations. For an idiot he's diabolically clever, or Cheney was the mastermind behind waternotthere-gate.

I'm not sure if anyone knows this but I've just discovered that Concord, MA where Kerry apparently crashed his bike on a "patch of sand" is actually a good distance from the ocean.

The relevant point is that Kos takes the time to find data (and put that data in a post) but doesn't know what the numbers mean.

Not that that's happened before.

"Honestly, NEITHER side should do it."

And yet that was your first instinct. And below you seek to justify it.

"But-- the difference, Ryan-- is that here, there does seem to be at least a misstatement by the spokesman. Which was not the case with the "Gore river fiasco," which was completely manufactured BS."

And one has to do with the other? Oh yeah that's right we're right back to the "they do it too" defense. Funny because as much as you flog that particular story...I couldn't even remember it. So I went to my friend google.....yes indeed it did happen. It wasn;t exactly manufactured, there was an early release, it was asked for by the Secret Service. Yes, the numbers were intitially wrong but that happens sometimes (millions of artifacts looted)So remind me again what reporters having it in for Gore has to do with this situation or your first reaction to bring up something non-relevant to give liberals moral equivalency?

My Lord, this is about as fun as babysitting teenagers.

WHO CARES?

Isn't there something else people could go on about? Were not enough people dying in Iraq that they had to go on about a stupid bike ride? Are the pickings really that slim? What the hell?

Come on people, it's obvious what's going on here.

Clearly, Bush's recent criticism of Sharon angered his dreaded evil Neocon masters, and they loosened the soil on his bike trail as a "horse's head" moment, to remind him who was in charge.

Also, who do you think will get the contract to repair the bike trail? I'll give you a clue - starts with "H", rhymes with "Balliburton".

Not only that, but I hear the new Iraqi prison pictures show guards forcing inmates to crash their bikes, so this was just a way for the Bushies to deflect criticism by saying, "See, that's not torture, even the President crashes his bike sometimes."

Wake up, everyone!

So is this "trainingwheelgate", "loosetopsoilgate", "raingate"? This scandal obviously has legs. This could be the subject for Michael Moore's next documentary: "Wheels of Liars".

Ryan, you don't seem to understand my point, or the difference/contention. I'm siding with the people who say, "Wait, it wasn't raining-- why would they say it was raining?" Obviously, prima facie, if it were raining, topsoil wouldn't have been loose, it would have been compacted-- as in, rain doesn't make soil not clump together-- so it was a contradictory statement.

I don't think that this one little statement is a big deal-- but I do think it fits in to a pattern of misstatements and intentional prevarications.

So-- I'm not saying that I think Bush has been UNFAIRLY maligned, which is what I do think happened to Gore. I brought the whole Gore thing up in response to some comment about "is this all liberals have left to do, argue about the rain fall?" That was really the whole reason-- to say, well, no, it's not liberals who FALSELY bring into issue measurements of rainfall/water level.

Take issue with me over your interpretation of the statement/facts disconnect, but at least what I'm saying (as opposed to Bush's spokesman) is internally consistent, since I believe the "rain excuse" to be pretty lame.

Not criminal, of course, like lying about WMD's and yellowcake, or unethical, like falsely smearing your opponents...

Don't say this too loudly but I heard that when Kerry fell off his bike it was also blamed on loose soil! It seems a bit too coincidental that the two major party presidential candidates have both, recently, suffered bicycle mishaps on loose soil.

Tell Nader and Russo to stay off their bikes until the CIA and FBI have completed their evaluation of this new threat.

URLidiots: They did it first/do it too defense.

Is there some way we can keep a running tally of how many times lefty trolls do this?

I'm waiting for one of them to swear to jump off a bridge if one of the icky neo-cons does it first.

Stop it, all of you. The spokesperson felt he/she had to say something to explain, and did. It was a dumb thing to say since as Darleen and others have pointed out, trails are stickier, not looser, after a rain, and dry, dusty limestone-y trails are slippery bastards in Texas, but it wasn't a lie, or anything malicious or weird. It was just a dumb statement.

Kos may need to blow this into something greater, but you don't have to help him. Stop it. There's no pattern, and it isn't an indicator of a greater tendency. Those who insist there is are embarrassing themselves.

WMD was a lie now? With all due respect, if you're going to toe the partisan line you absolutely have to keep the editorial pen firmly affixed to your playbook.

I'm no fan of Dubya (even though I'm a registered republica) but even I had to give him his props as a MTB'er. Apparently when given the option by the Secret Service to have a van come up and take him back to the house, Bush stated something to the effect of, "Nah, it's only a mile or so, let's finish the ride". As someone who as taken his share of bif's on the MTB, I have to admire the fact that he finished the ride.

Were not enough people dying in Iraq that they had to go on about a stupid bike ride?

Meep, I cheerfully nominate your post as the best in churlish non sequiturs.

May I add to the list of things GW should not do as long as people are dying in Iraq

Exercise of any sort
Buy a graduation present for his daughters
Make love to his wife
Have a delicious meal (he must eat only MRE's, expired ones at that)
Watch any fiction movie for pleasure, especially comedies
Read any books for pleasure
Pet his cat (it may give him pleasure)

Hell, he should don homespun robes and prostrate himself on the floor several times a day proclaiming his abject misery...

Oh...hell..with the last we might actually get the terrorists to like us because GW will have converted to Islam by then, just as they demand of the west!

They say the accident was caused by loose topsoil. Lies! He was no different than any other President -- they were all disloyal. Ah, but the rainfall! That's where I had him. They laughed at me and made jokes, but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt, and with geometric logic, that the loose topsoil did not exist! And I'd have produced dry topsoil if they hadn't pulled Caine out of action! I-I-I know now they were only trying to protect some fellow officer and!......(realizes he has been ranting, babbling)
Naturally, I can only cover these things from memory if I've left anything out, why, just ask me specific questions and I'll be glad to answer them...one-by-one...

And URLidiots... I extend my invitation to you, come to So. Cal and do some biking in the Lake Arrowhead area. Since it hasn't rained in the past week, you'll be perfectly happy and secure on the trails, won't you?

what the hell was he doing riding around on a bike anyway? real men don't eat quiche OR ride bikes...hippies like Kerry ride bikes...please say he wasn't wearing biker shorts and a stupid helmet???

Ugh, I can't believe I'm going to write on this subject matter, but here it goes.

My friends have a smaller ranch of 1200 acres about 15 minutes from Crawford, I know the area.

2.79" of rain is alot for this part of Texas. It has the nasty habit of bubbling out of the ground in intermittent springs that can flood fields for days after a rain. I have gotten my truck stuck weeks after a deluge like that. It just happens. This area is not a desert nor is it completely flat like most of his posters believe. If his property is similar to most in the area it is full of rocky ravines and loose slopes full of Oak, Ash Juniper and Mesquite trees. Having also biked the area, I can confirm that, contrary to popular belief, people sometimes take spills over their handle bars in Texas. Even accidents happen here in the Lonestar State. Though, not all are blamed on the Secret Service Agent sworn to protect you.

Poorly written and formed, but you get the point.

Who is pettier? Me, the person who wrote about John Kerry making a snarky joke about the president's fall, or Kos, who actually took the time to research the amount of rain that fell in Crawford, Texas last week?

Kos himself says that he didn't do research--he saw it somewhere else. I also saw it on another blog before I saw it on Daily Kos.

I think it's sort of pathetic that the White House is so nervous about Bush's image that they feel the need to tell such a transparent lie. But at least this time they're lying about something petty.

I don't care one little bit what you think Charlie T. Not one little bit.

Michele, you said you'd never read Kos again over his mercenary comments. Why the reversal?

Kos is wicked. One of the best blogs out there.

Lets put this to bed before everyone realizes Gerald Ford has been replaced by a sneakier meaner clutz.

OH MY GOD! LOOSE SOIL IS TRYING TO TAKE OUT OUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES! LOOK AT THE FACTS PEOPLE! NO RAIN, BUT LOOSE SOIL! NOT NEAR THE OCEAN, BUT LOOSE SOIL/SAND! IN BOTH CASES LOOSE SOIL IS WHERE IT SHOULDN'T BE AND IN A POSITION TO HARM A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE! COINCIDENCE?! I THINK NOT! THE ONLY POSSIBLE CONCLUSION IS THAT EXTRATERRESTRIAL ALIEN ORGANISMS WHO CAN SHAPE SHIFT INTO THE FORM OF QUOTE LOOSE SOIL UNQUOTE ARE TRYING TO ASSASSINATE OUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES SO THAT THEIR CANDIDATE WILL BE THE ONLY ONE LEFT! OBVIOUSLY THEIR CANDIDATE HAS TO BE KUCINICH! SO EVEN IF EVERY OTHER CANDIDATE DIES MYSTERIOUSLY IN A BICYCLE ACCIDENT IT IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE NOT VOTE FOR KUCINICH IN NOVEMBER OR WE'LL SIMPLY BE FOLLOWING THE EVIL ALIEN OVERLORDS' PLANS!

so what's worse, the picking over details, or the bickering over the detail picking?

answer: both. they are both contributing to the overwhelming information overload that accompanies an election. makes it almost impossible to focus on the important issues, to sift through the irrelevant trivia for what really matters.

i hardly think it matters whether or not the president exaggerated rainfall rather than admit he just fell down & went boom. having a 'public image' involves quite a lot of fibbing, believe it or not. it's called 'spin', they all do it. & if you stick a flashlight far enough up somebody's ass, you're bound to find something, you know? pickers, they have these huuuuuge flashlights, probably to compensate ... ahem

(for the record, i'm not pro-bush, i'm just anti-picker)

personally, i think nitpicking makes the picker look worse than the picked. just an opinion, ymmv.

Keep Watching The Soil!: Stop your warmongering. No Blood for Soil!

Charlie T,

I think you completely missed the point.

Bush's image that they feel the need to tell such a transparent lie.

Strike that. I know you missed the point. It rained, sometimes rain seeps into the soil, where it eventually evaporates or seeps into the water table The time frame is completely dependent on heat, sun exposure soil type, slope etc. This whole subject is borderline pedantic and completely ridiculous. He fell off his mountain bike. Mmm-Kay? They attributed it to wet ground. Probably was, regardless of what the tool KOS "knows"

"It's been raining a lot and the topsoil is loose,"

In an area that regularly receives on average 32-35", they have received 23" inches so far. Seeing as how the area is 10.6" of rain above normal for the year, yeah, I could see some topsoil as being a little loose. Some parts of the ranch might still be wet.
NOAH

I did a lot of scrolling through the comments here, but stopped when I came to dorkafork's "No blood for soil." Hilarious, and it grants this "controversy" the gravity it deserves.

Wow. There are a lot of people here on both sides who have waaay too much time on their hands. Who gives a flying monkey's nut whether Bush fell off his stupid goddam bike because of loose soil or rain or anything else? Sure they probably spun it just a little bit to maintain his macho image, but that's the least of our worries. We need to find out whether the WMD story was just a complete lie, or an honest mistake. We need to make sure our troops behave in a manner befitting the lofty pronouncements of our leaders. This bullshit about the bike is less than last on the priority list.

and the three men I admired so well,

GW, Rumsfeld and Colin Powell

they slid their dirt bikes down the hill,

the day

the caliche

dried

Is it okay that I got bored after reading a few of the comments on this thread and decided to stop after Goldstein became a Bush voter again?

The PR guy said something silly. That's it. At this point, the only thing this story has to do with anything is that Bush is a faller just like Kerry, but doesn't feel the need to pretend otherwise. Frankly anyone who proudly announces the he doesn't fall while snowboarding isn't an asshole because he's a liar, he's an asshole because he actually thinks that not falling while snowboarding is desirable.