A Small Victory

People like that need to know,very clearly,that they either get out of the way and let the adults do some defending or they risk getting caught in the crossfire.They have no right to tell me that I cannot defend my family.They are not with us,therefore thay are against us.Simple math.

Mr Berg used his son's not yet cold corpse as a soapbox to spew his hatred for Bush. His grief for his murdered son, pales in comparison to his insane hatred for the President and administration.

Mr Berg is a very, very sick man.

He's a man trying to find solace in ideology. Ive seen this behaviour amongst a few relatives of the Bali bombing victims, one of whom has gone as far as running for parliament against our foreign minister.

I feel sorry for this man and I think he should be ignored by the media for the sake of his health.

Mike Berg is not taking solace in ideology.
He was pimping his son's death for The Cause before the kid was buried.
Berg is one of those true believers for whom only one Truth matters and they will, and are expected to, do such horrible things as ruthlessly use even the death of a loved one in the service of that to which they have given everything.

It's not like this guy wasn't a raving moonbat /before/ his son died. He was just a raving moonat with no press time.

Now, he's got all the press time in the world.

This man is a raving lunatic and horrifies me with the sheer opportunism and/or insanity with which he's seized upon his son's death to publicize these rants.

"I take comfort that when they did the awful thing they did, they weren't quite as in to it as they might have been. I am sure that they came to admire him."

This is crazy talk. This is utter raving lunacy. Free clue, Mr. Berg:

IF THEY HAD TRULY ADMIRED YOUR SON, HE WOULDN'T BE DEAD. THEY HATED AND DESPISED HIM AND DID NOT EVEN GRANT HIM THE CONSIDERATION OF BEING A FELLOW HUMAN BEING. TO THEM, HE WAS MERELY AN ANIMAL.

And they're not that fond of you, either.

Nick Berg was a Jew. He wasn't human, just a son of pigs and dogs to be sacrificed

/islamist

I couldn't opossibly have said it as well, Michele, but the pedantic lawyer in me feels obligated to make a correction:

"For 2,000 years, radical Islamists have believed..."

Er, Islam hasn't been around for 2000 years. Year 1 of the Muslim calendar is 622 AD, if I'm not mistaken.

I stand corrected then, Dave. I suppose I was just being hyperbolic.

I take comfort that when they did the awful thing they did, they weren't quite as in to it as they might have been. I am sure that they came to admire him.

"Weren't quite as into it?" WTF?

I agree with you wholeheartedly michele.

I have studiously tried to give Mr. Berg allowance in what he says, but this is just going too far.

Mr. Berg, kiss my ass, then call a shrink.

To paraphrase a famous evil zionist: If Mr. Berg loved his son more than he hated George Bush, we'd be winning this thing decisively.

"Stop giving preconditions to our peaceful coexistence on this small planet,"

How about the condition that they quit butchering the children of those they disagree with?

"and start honouring and respecting every human's need to live free and autonomously,"

Ah, yes, they simply want the freedom to enslave women and kill Jews. Who could deny them that? Holy fuck, where to even start with this guy.

Hopefully this gets disseminated widely and he scores an own-goal.

We didn't "stop label[ them] our enemies" until they killed thousands of us. As to "honouring and respecting every human's need to live free and autonomously", respect is a two way street, and they haven't earned it. They are murderers.

History has shown where appeasement gets you.

saw that sign yesterday "war is not the answer". catchy phrase for the left but it does nothing, gives no answer. until someone from the left gives a viable plan other than this ideal, i will go on believing that history bears out a violent response to evil.

very glad the radio is back! i love your taste in music and metal.

As I've said before, the one consistent thing about the Left in America is that they underestimate the deadly nature of America's enemies. This is of course taking it to an almost comically absurd extreme.

One odd thing was this:

"My son's work still goes on. Where there was one peacemaker before, I now see and have heard from thousands of peacemakers. Nick was a man who acted on his beliefs."

I thought Nick was repairing communications towers?

p.s. has anyone said what nick berg was really doing in iraq? i find it hard to believe that he was there to sell satellite dishes. and i just don't get the logic in father berg's statement. does he think that if saddam was still in power these his son would have been treated like the boys at cnn? people ought to think long and hard before they speak because they can easily dispel the myth that they know of what they speak.

God help this grieving father if he thought for one minute that these men had admiration for his son. He is kidding himself. 9/11 was one big group hug, given in the only way these thugs know how to give it. This man needs to wake up. LaLa land does not exist. It is an illusion of Mr. Berg's imagination.

Mike blames himself for Nick's death, since he told his son to stay in Iraq rather than leave like the FBI recommended. But Mike cannot consciously accept the blame, so he must project it onto someone he despised anyway. As old as the poor fellow is, he will probably never sort it all out before he dies.

Yes, we all need to respect each other's differences. So you can see how their intense respect and desire for peaceful coexistence on our small planet left the these noble, admiring gentlemen no choice but to saw off my son's head.

The man's truly unhinged. I mean that quite literally, I think he might be mentally unbalanced. The Guardian should be ashamed of themselves, both for publishing such garbage and for taking advantage of a man in emotional extremis to further their own transparent political goals.

I am also alarmed that the mainstream news media is publishing this stuff. Even if Mike Berg were a bit more sane under normal circumstances, in the present situation he would still be mad with grief. The barbaric murder of his son gives him no special insight into Middle Eastern politics. He deserves our deepest condolences, and he certainly has mine, but there is no good reason for the media to continue to quote him and every good reason for the media to, after offering their condolences, leave him alone. The behavior of the media in this case might make you think that they have some kind of agenda.

If I weren't pedantic and you weren't hyperbolic, we wouldn't be the same people, so don't ever stop. ;-)

Captain's Quarters just weighed in -- "Michael Berg, Moral Coward"

You know, we can respect other humans, or we can respect sovereign states. We can't have both, not when other sovereign states are run with not the slightest regard for our fellow humans or for us.

Likewise, we can expect others to live up to the same rules we do - or we can accept that they don't. Again, we've gotta choose between the two. It's astounding how often the Left looks at homicidal dictatorships and assumes that this is how their subjects freely choose to live. If you start with the (rather indisputable) premise that the Saddams and the Zarqawis of the world wish to impose their will on a population that does not want to live that way, all the talk in the world about respecting how other people choose to live falls away to nonsense.

I'm afraid it is the law of natural selection.
This is why the left can't win.

Beyond belief, beneath contempt.

Shame on you Mr. Berg.

This guy's innocence has a the purity of Elmo or some other character from children's television.

I tried reading his writing in Elmo's voice, but that doesn't work. The blame Bush stuff in every sentence is too severe. Mike Berg is his very own muppet, where between Elmo and Oscar. Paisley furred, I'd guess. "Mike says, war bad! Terrorists just want to be loved."

Feh. In a "Champions" RPG (role-playing game) campaign I'm in right now, I'm playing the part of the most innocent superheroine in the entire world. She makes Belldandy look jaded.

And even she wouldn't say this. (She'd just be sniffling and weeping quietly over the thought that the world has such mean and horrible people like Nick Berg's killers in it, and then go out and non-violently apply some superpowers to drag them in for a fair trial.)

Um yeah, Mike Berg just had his son executed on the international stage. Cut him some fucking slack.

Any of you people casting aspersions on him for his statements or beliefs need to consider his position. His son was executed.

Until you've had your child murdered on film and shown around the world, shut the fuck up about his means of dealing with his grief.

Sorry, buddy. Mike Berg was spouting this idiotic bullshit long before his son even went to Iraq.

Well, if he's going to share his grief with every camera/microphone/newspaper journalist in sight, he'd goddamn well better be prepared to hear a little criticism in return.

These kinds of statements bother me for other reasons than their dangerous naivetee. They strike me as essentially racist.

They admired him. The man with the knife felt his breath on his hand. They heard his screams. They knew he was a human being with parents and siblings. Knowing all these things, they sawed his head off.

They felt bad about doing it, but they're just Arabs. It's not like they can control their own actions.

Maybe you (Mr. Berg) should run for President, however; you do not have my vote! No sarcasm here.
You are just confused, as that comes with grieving.
Death is extremely hard to deal with especially when broadcasted all over the world.
If Nick believed in God, then maybe celebrate a new life. Just a thought.

Chuck you are SO right.

It's hard to imagine someone so innocent that he'd say

I am sure that the one who wielded the knife felt Nick's breath on his hand and knew that he had a real human being there. I am sure that the others looked into my son's eyes and got at least a glimmer of what the rest of the world sees. And I am sure that these murderers, for just a brief moment, did not like what they were doing.

George Bush never looked into my son's eyes. George Bush doesn't know my son, and he is the worse for it.

How can you not parody that? "Terrorist must be good, they looked at my son and he good! His goodness must have rubbed off."

This guy makes Elmo look jaded!

we are all aware of what happened to Nick Berg.

But after reviewing what his father said to the press. i guess it just seems like WE THE PEOPLE are more sickened by it than he is.

To say "i think they admired my son". omg.
the word admire means respect, think hightly of.
If they were able to carry out an act like that on Nick Berg and they respected him. Can you imagine what they would do to people they did not admire????

I do not think they had any respect or thought highly of Nick Berg. Like i read above, he was merely a dog to them to sacrifice. Shouting allah, allah. Presenting Nick's beheading as a present to their god from them.

Mr. Berg take a hug step back and look at the big picture here. These people/animals hate us, they hate all of us, no matter what we believe. These animals really think they will go to heaven for beheading/murdering anyone that is not of their religion.

If I have said something to upset anyone, sorry. I just can't believe some of the remarks Mr.Berg Stated.

Cindy

Post on DU cherry-picks the anti-Bush lines and is generating high-fives.

hey their folks. Lets just remember that we only get half the story. While we cant find and hunt and kill the ones we want, we are killing hundreds in their wake. So its not all bad. I dont care if we individually appologize to the whole region, as they look this way, we bomb that way. And im lovin it!!! pass the fries please....

Mikey originally claimed that al-Qaeda was "just as bad" as Bush, and that they had killed "their best friend." Now he seems to think Bush is worse, since they had the pleasure of sawing his head off and bragging about it in front of two video cameras.

If al-Qaeda was really gunning for "their best friend," they seem to have missed their target by one generation.

Oh, and anybody who says it's OK for Papa Berg to say whatever stupid crap comes in his head as some kind of therapy - well, I can understand that. But even if that's your position, you should still be piling on the Guardian for printing this garbage.

Jews are not sons of pigs and dogs . They are God's chosen people. The rest of us are saved by grace .What an idiot ! All humans are humans What comes around goes around.

I dunno. I feel even more sorry for Michael Berg now. He's clearly gone mad, and needs to tell himself strange things just to make it through the day. I don't think he's a coward ... he's desperately confused. I harbor no ill will for him.

As for the substance of what he said ... The thing that got me was the part about listening after 9-11. We did listen. Everyone I know wanted to know why. The problem is we did listen, but Osama-boy didn't make sense when he explained his reasons. I don't want to assist him in Osama's psycho-fantasy to take over the world.

Mr. Berg has my deepest sympathies for the loss of his son, I'm sure that kind of experience can't be easy....but at the same time I find it so hard to share Mr. Berg's views about his son's brutal murder.

"I am sure that these murderers, for just a brief moment, did not like what they were doing."

I beleive Mr. Berg is incorrect in assuming this. These murderers have probably done this before and probably will do it again, I am certain that if there faces were not covered you would not have seen sad expressions as they cut his head off, these people beleive that kind of act to be justified, and they won't listen to anything else...I am all for human rights...but whats humane about taking a peaceful man's head?

I beleive Dennis Miller had it right when he compared these terrorists to the zombies from "Dawn of the dead", you cannot reason with these murderers, you need to put a bullet in their head.

and I'm not trying to say I beleive war is the right answer...noone wins in a war,I'd rather everyone on the planet live in peace, but that isn't the real world, people have diffrent views on what the perfect world is and aslong as they do there will always be someone willing to fight

Cindy, I think they must have admired his esophagus.

Must have admired his esophagus..50/50 believer

they did the brutal act, yes

but they wore masks? hiding something, maybe???

who knows..

I agree with C. Valentine.
Despite all of the BS in Mr. Berg's words I am still going to give him some slack. At times like this people fall back on their spiritual guidance. Mr. Berg is a leftist moonbat and these are the teachings of his religion. If it turns out that Berg continues this rant and goes on tour with this BS, I reserve the right to condemn him then for promoting his religion on the grave of his son.

May I recommend this piece about the long history of chopping heads. Pretty hard to blame it all on Bush.

I think that their are too many people in this world, thats why their is war and terrorism, too many assholes running around, I feel very bad for mr. berg. My personal opinion is to make people stop having kids for 20 years so our population goes down so people can afford shit and their WILL NOT be as much terrorism!!!

What is going on with this world? It was my understanding that the country that the men responsible for the tragedy of 9/11 hailed from Saudi Arabia. What's up with that? Wrong country huh? I don't see anyone talking about. Where did 11 of the 12- 9/11 hijackers come from? but...Let's talk about exploring the moon.

The point is that it is a tragedy that so many lives have been lost. Our time in Iraq has just begun, there isn't going to be any smooth transition if any to becoming a democratic country. That is like people coming over to the US and forcing us to give up our material goods and live like I am a veteran and I am wondering how many people talking shit have served their country, especially the ones that have an infinity towards this administration. Also, I would love for Bush's daughters to get their asses up and serve their country.

Something that starts off on the wrong foot will end just like its beginning.......

Let start with simply agreeing:
1) Mr. Berg is obviously severly grieved for his son and should receive our sincere, unqualified sympathy.
2) Mr. Berg has obvious anit-war tendancies that started probably sometime back in 1969.
3) Mr. Berg obviously smoked to much hashish back then and now, due to a lack of brain cells, has mistaken the terrorist murders of his son as his past life, peace-nik, make love not war brethern from Asbury Heights.
4) Mr. Berg needs a group hug from a bunch of guys in nice white coats who will give him some medicine to make it all feel better.

Having said all that, I do give my sincere condolences and sympathy to his family. Particularly his mother, who must be doubly greived by the loss of her son and apparent illness of her husband.

I think All you people who put down and be little
MR Berg For speeking hes mind About Bush or anything elese Need to keep your opinion to your self. Why do you think what you say is all good Rember if it wasnt for Bush we wouldnt be there to begain with. If it was my son that it happened to yes I would blame bush and all the people in Irac. And you know what I dont care what any of you people think leave the man alone. Rember he who is with out sin cast the first stone and I do know that you are all sinners. Everone deals with grive in there own way. Boy you people make me so mad who do you think you are to judge Mr Burg

Ok, so Mr. Berg is allowed to speak his mind, but we should all just keep our opinions to ourselves. Got it.

Next.

Some of your comments that I have read on this site not only sicken me but prove just how blind some Americans truly are. I have read comments about how violent the Iraq people are. FYI..America was built on the backs of slaves, and not only did they enslave African Americans, but they raped, murdered, hung, burned, and treated them as subhumans, but hey, America is not violent, right!!! It is sad that the majority of people only see what they want to see, but I guess that is how people live with themselves. If you say it long enough, you tend to believe it. America is the best place to live, by far, but do not get it twisted that we are any less violent then other countries. The difference is we know how to hide our shit, and other countries are forth right. So before you past judgement on other countries, races, and Mr. Berg, learn your peoples history. God bless America....

God bless the good ol' USA...Best place accessable in this man's universe.

So they admired him so much they had to kill him. hmmmm..

No, he probably said "I am on your side" and they said "Jew? Let's kill him!". Has no one learned the lesson of Daniel Pearl? Pearl went to find out the other side of the story and became the story.

I wish Michael Berg a good journey on his trip to reach out to his son't killers. He will probably meet the same end.

Sorry guys, but there isn't a leftie rapture. You aren't immune because you think you are.

Sioux, WTF are you talking about?

Do us a favor and go learn about not only European colonial experiences (especially french ones) but Russian and Chinese (Tibet where 1 million tibetans were murdered).

Your attempt at moral equivalence won't was here.

Oh and Zarqawi and Saddam's nephew were both involved.

What was that thing about how AQ and the Ba'athists could never work together.

yeah, sure.

That father I think really just went over the deep end.

Wow- I always say that labels, especially political labels, should not divide us Americans. You know UNITED WE STAND but holy cow I can't believe how ridiculous the left can be. It's unreal.I do believe he's got bees in his bonnet to say such things.And to Michelle- this is America, you know where there is a free-SAFE-Public Library in just about every town. Make use of your local library-you are practically illiterate.God Bless us all.

Capt joe you must not have much of a personal life because you seem to comment on everybody's comments. You asked WTF am I talking about? As I said in the beginning of my comment it was for the people who stated that they could not believe that Mr. Berg does not realize just how violent that county is. This country is just as violent and in a mainstream kind of way. Why the F... are your bringing up European Colonial experiences, and tibet. I am talking about this country's violent past, not tibet, russia, or china. You get my gist? Your attempt at making any point at all has failed. Get a life......

Sioux if you have any better ideas for this country at this point and time could you please share them. I dunno where you grew up but where im from sitting around waiting for other people to be violent was a sure way to get your ass kicked.The fact that you say America was violent in the past because of the slavery of African Americans? Thats horseshit most slaves were sold to America by their own countries.

I think that the whole Islamic world should be wiped off the face of the earth. How many Americans do we let die before we realize that there is no compromising with these animals? Survival of the fittest... Blow those mother fuckers away. Anyone who can kill innocent civilians the way that they have shown deserves no place in this world. Blow there fucking land away and stop all the bullshitting.

War. It's just like a chess game. We either make a move to dominate or be dominated. Heck, these people don't give a f*ck about us. They don't don't even show sempathy for there own people.Our freedom here in the US is what I believe triggers the hatred upon us. It's a good thing we don't think like the Isralis cause if we do we would'nt be in this situation. It's a bad thing we got to go to war, but it's for the good.It's sad to hear about the lost of americans everyday in Irag and I believe our superiors in this country are handling this WAR to the best of there abilities.We must radiate the cancers that are destroying not only this country,but this world.

When I first learned of Nick Berg's death, I was on a business trip in Daytona Beach and I saw the headline on the newspaper which was delivered to my hotel room. The photo accompanying the headline was that of Mike Berg almost collapsing into his other son's arms. I was moved beyond measure at this sight. The pain I imagined him feeling was incomprehensible.

After reading his comments above, I am truly in shock. That he could give those monsters, those inhumane scumbags, a drop of dignity. I wanted to throw up when he implied they were capable of an inkling of human compassion. Did Mr. Berg actually think those murdering animals were capable of believing that Nick Berg was even a human being? They killed him as easily as they kill their own wives. Come on MR. BERG, these savages murdered your son!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!There is only ONE response to that Mr. Berg-------OUTRAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOT compassion!!!!!!!!!

Fucking Blow those bastards off the face of the earth!!!! Every last one of them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!But first take every towel head in the U.S. and ship them over to their beloved fucking homeland before we turn them into particle dust!!!!!!!!!!