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St. Petersburg Dem Club calls for Rumsfeld's death click for bigger This is also an ad for Kerry for President. I wonder if Kerry knows about this? I wonder how the Dems of St. Petersburg feel about this? I wonder if Ken now thinks it was a bad idea to put his phone number on the flyer. Anyone know the area code for St. Petersburg? via Drudge (via a comment) Also, please note this is not some far left moron factory putting this out. It's not Indymedia, it's not DU, it's not Answer. It is the St. Petersburg Democrat Club. A little Googling finds out that one member of this club is Dr. Emily Baker of the Applied Ethics Institute, part of the St. Petersburg Jr. College. Here is a direct quote from Democratic MeetUp Party from the St. Petersburg area: bq. dvlzdnce (04/13): When will we be having a meet up to discuss carrying out the plans concerning Rumsfeld as advertised by the St. Petersburg Democratic Club? Update: I really can't see Kerry being held responsible for this. Even if he is aware of it, I hardly think he's stupid enough to condone it. Basically, this is like holding a blogger responsible for their commenters threatening the lives of someone the blogger linked to. Which is to say, doesn't hold water. But...these people are passing themselves off as part of the Democratic party and if the Dem party of St. Petersburg has any sense, they will ask them to cease these idiotic ramblings. These people may be fringe, but they still exist. Just because they don't number in the millions doesn't mean they aren't dangerous or shouldn't be called out for their actions. And that is why I care what they say, thanks for asking. Update II: Ed Moltzen has a small but powerful roundup of stupid things lefties have said.

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Hmmm... Outside of the death threat, I don't see any new talking points.

However, I am surprised there are no references to Haliburton.

Why is this surprising to anyone? Kerry gets a free pass here. It's 'obviously a fringe group' therefore it can go unchallenged. The media won't care and only we on the other side of the political fence will get our panties in a wad.

I don't care any more about the moonbats. I can't convince any of them of their lunacy, the right already hates them, and if the moderates can't see them for what they are, they're a lost cause as well.

How appropriate that they are in "St. Petersburg" - maybe they have an office pet called "The Potemkin" - perhaps they call each other "comrade"

And do Ken and Edna have last names? Or are those just their revolutionary names, like Che or Trotsky?

I would pay good money to see the guy who wrote this try to put Ol' Man Rumsfeld up against a wall.

I don't think it would go quite as he expects it would.

Anyone ever see the clip of 70-something Buzz Aldrin decking that belligerent 'reporter'?

Unfortunately, stuff like this no longer surprises me. Bob Dole asked "Where's the outrage?". It died from overuse.

Area Code 727

Yes, it is 727. I'm in it right now.

Of course, I see it's already being backpeddled as "well, it was a figure of speech' type of incident which I'm sure would stand up in court.

Again, no one but us is going to care about this. Kerry could date-rape a busload of highschool majorettes and the media would claim 'Bush aware of Teen Rape scandal - No preventative measures taken'

Re: Robb

Last year during the California Recall election, a prominent California Democratic party official promised literal bullets will be shooting at Schwarzenegger (whose wife lost two uncles to assasin's bullets). Of course nothing comes about of it.

Hmmm... Outside of the death threat, I don't see any new talking points.

Pretty callous there Robb. When did political ads that contain death threats become passe?

If you are right and Kerry gets a pass then we will all know just how far the media are in bed with the Democrats.

Isn't posting a death threat of an administration official a felony?

But then again - its Florida - maybe they meant to punch out the "I want to call Rumsfield bad names" chad and accidently punched out the "Lets put him up against the wall and shoot him" chad.

Uncle Tom Powell Stumps for Massah Bush

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/12/183155/559

all those things are true. so whats the big stink??

Pretty callous there Robb. When did political ads that contain death threats become passe?

Sad, isn't it? My pissed-off-o-meter has been pegged out for so long at 10+ that this didn't strike me as odd. I'm so used to it (I'm a programmer, I work with ton's o' lefties) that it doesn't surprise me any more what is said.

It's like shock jocks. After the jokes get old, what do you do next? And when putting lesbians on air having sex in a preschool class no longer has the same punch, what then? That's what I feel like.

I mean, people were LIVID in their defence of Kos' statements. Death apparently pleases these idiots.

what the heck is applied ethics?

it wouldn't hurt to email a copy to the Secret Service, if they do not yet have a copy... I understand they take all threats seriously.

Well, this one fianlly got me. I have emailed both the Kerry campaign and the lovely little group that placed the ad.

If they don't dial it back soon, they're likely to get a hell of a backlash.

I too live in St. Petersburg, and trust me, that is not a majority opinion. In fact, the Democrats here probably felt it necessary to go to such a great length just to get noticed. Tampa Bay is not the side of Florida Bush needs to worry about. The real moonbats are on the east coast.

19 men managed to kill 3000 a couple of years ago. How many would it take to try to kill one? All it would take is one wacko among all of the moonbats to decide that he can't wait for the election to get rid of Bush and will take matters into his own hands. There is still plenty of time for the "Zero Election Year Curse" to come around and get the President.

Smells like anothewr assasination stone to hang around Kerry's neck. First you had the group he left or disassociated with actually taking votes on whether to assasinate public figures supportive of the Vietnam War and now there's this idiocy.

The question is will Kerry get hung by his moonbats while W has largely avoided getting hung with freeper types.

To be fair to Dr. Baker, she has quite an impressive resume, and I'm sure she doesn't appreciate being even remotely associated with this ad any more than any other PTA or Rotary Club member would.
That said, and moving on, I wonder if these Moonbats are aware that they probably did commit a felony by advocating the assassination of a public official.
Ahhh, the looney left, thank goodness for Drudge, ASV, and the rest of the blogosphere for keeping an eye on them. I wonder how long it will take talk radio and the old media to catch up with this story?

I try to be cynical but I just can't keep up!

[no, I don't remember who I stole that from]

;)

Thank you for the update Michele. This has nothing to do with Kerry.

This is troubling and very ugly.

It is also on Drudge so I'll hold onto my pound of salt, but I'll take it as real for now.

If I had time though, I'd put together not a small and powerful round up but a large and essentially lame roundup of stupid things righties have said.

Again. Time is my master.

Alan - Hannity is talking about it right now.

Andrew - If I started to compile a list of the profoundly stupid things both the left and right have said - just in the past six months alone - it would take up more bandwidth than I have available.

Stupidity reigns everywhere.

Robb sez:

"I don't care any more about the moonbats.... if the moderates can't see them for what they are, they're a lost cause as well."

I don't believe the moderates are a lost cause. I think they can easily see the moonbats for what they are, when they see them. So the important thing here is to break through the mainstream media's wall of silence and show stuff like this to anyone who's got an open mind.

Sorry, I didn't mean ALL moderates, just ones who cannot see the madness for what it is. Granted, if someone doesn't take the time to educate themselves on current world and national events (my wife is one of those people, but hey, she's raising my daughter AND living with me, so who can blame her?) and instead relies solely on the media, then yes, it is my duty to try to expose to as many of them at least a different take on something.

But in this battle, I feel stretched thin. I can't blog (I'm brutishly blunt and don't have tact for writing so I come off as a complete asshole), the blogs I write on tend to agree with my points anyway, and I can never have the type of discourse I'd like on the ones that see different than me.

I'm not giving up, I'm just unable to give more.

This is more Biased reporting by drudge. This is just a club in florida who took a small add out that is about as big as a playing card. Neocons like Charles advocate genocide on a daily basis and Ann coulter has been saying thing like this for year.

This is such a non-issue and has nothing to do with kerry.

Neocons like Charles advocate genocide on a daily basis

Link please? And what is biased? This is something that was printed, this is a threat against Rummy, this is real.

However, I think I see the pattern. For us, biased means exposing a spy as a distant relative of a Bush staffer when in all reality, she was closer to the Dems as a worker for the DNC.

You see bias as anything reporting something bad for the Democrats.

Interesting.

Love, a 'neocon' (I guess)

Ryan: The question is will Kerry get hung by his moonbats while W has largely avoided getting hung with freeper types.

I've wondered this myself - if the far left will do more to bring Kerry's campaign to a grinding halt than anything else...

Andrew:

A round up of stupid things isn't ever too hard to put together. But the violent, violent hateful language only seems to be coming from one side and it seems to be getting progressively worse as the weeks and months go by. And, oddly enough, it's the side that says they want peace.

This is more Biased reporting by drudge. This is just a club in florida who took a small add out that is about as big as a playing card. Neocons like Charles advocate genocide on a daily basis and Ann coulter has been saying thing like this for year. This is such a non-issue and has nothing to do with kerry.

Biased reporting? No. It would be biased reporting if Drudge just said "Florida Democrats take contract out on Bush."

But there it is in black and white. Who cares how big the ad was? The point is, it called for the death of a government official. Not just death, but murder.

Your moral equivelancy stinks. Why is it that everytime a Dem does something idiotic, someone has to say, well Republicans do that too, so that makes it ok!

Yea, I know you are but what am I.

What a bunch of bullshit. You are giving these wackos a pass because Charles's readers think that terrorists should die? Get a grip.

Nice Spin michele, your head must be getting dizzy.

Charles's readers are not just saying terrorist shuold die. They advocate leveling the middle east all muslims ect. This article is a NON-issue. This IS biased reporting by drudge, everything he reports has to take a shot at the democrats while giving bush and his cornies a pass.

"Your moral equivelancy stinks. Why is it that everytime a Dem does something idiotic, someone has to say, well Republicans do that too, so that makes it ok!"

Don't even start this, this is the republican platform. Do I really need to remind you how many times we heard "Well Clinton got a BJ" when the WMD lie exploded in Shrubs face?

Plus it is anti-free speech to bash someone for speaking their mind. it is typical right-wing fascism to make a big deal of this in your blog and talk radio, afterall they were only execising their right to freedom of speech. Don't worry, Kerry will win and it will be bye-bye for the right-wing on faux, talk radio and the wingnut blogs.

we will have fair speech and regulation over the "free market" of hate speech (such as this blog)!

Ok, Cman. Explain, in detail, how this is biased reporting.

Was the ad indeed placed in a paper? Yes, it was.
DId the ad call for the murder of Rumsfeld? Yes, it did.
Was the ad issued by a group calling themeslves a Democratic Club? Yes it was.
DId someone at the Dem MeetUp page ask about taking action on the ad? Yes, that is true.

Where's the bias?

Where's the ad with Republicans calling for the murder of Kerry?

Oh, there isn't one.

Your bias test has failed.

"Plus it is anti-free speech to bash someone for speaking their mind. it is typical right-wing fascism to make a big deal of this in your blog and talk radio, afterall they were only execising their right to freedom of speech"

You really cannot be that much of an idiot.

I think free speech rights stop where calling for the murder of a public official starts.

"Do I really need to remind you how many times we heard "Well Clinton got a BJ" when the WMD lie exploded in Shrubs face?"

Yes, please do. Because I don't recall too much of that going on.

I wish someone would put all Reich Whing scum-sucking vermin against walls and pull the trigger - repeatedly! All Reich Whing, bottom feeding, Hate Mongering, lowlifes should be squashed.

Here are TRUE AMERICAN HEROES!

http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_april_10_2004/signs/

Keep talking, Robert. The only reason I haven't banned you yet is because it's too much fun watching you make a complete idiot out of yourself. I know people who post at Democratic Underground who won't even have anything to do with you. Sometimes, I think you are just a really bad parody.

"Charles's readers are not just saying terrorist shuold die. They advocate leveling the middle east all muslims ect."

What does LGF have to do with Michele or threats on Rumsfeld?

Do we really want to play whose side has more idiots? LGF has 'em, FR has'em, DU has 'em, IndyMedia seems to ONLY have them. Michele points out these idiots. Your reaction is neither defense nor condemnation. You went for distraction and spin. Be careful when you fall off that high horse of yours.

"This IS biased reporting by drudge, everything he reports has to take a shot at the democrats while giving bush and his cornies a pass."

Did I miss something? Did Drudge become a real news source? Or is his popularity an indication of such?
He's a partisan gossip monger. Big deal.

"Plus it is anti-free speech to bash someone for speaking their mind."

Words escape me for this idiocy.

"it is typical right-wing fascism to make a big deal of this in your blog and talk radio, afterall they were only execising their right to freedom of speech."

You don't even know what fascism is do you?

"Don't worry, Kerry will win and it will be bye-bye for the right-wing on faux, talk radio and the wingnut blogs."

I was correct.....you know fascism as a buzz word insult for the right and do not even realize what you just stated was fascism. Doesn't surprise me...Mussolini was the same way. "Free speech for me and none for thee" cry the left wing thought police.

If there's a place in the universe that knows about death, it's St. Petersburg. Or as we in Tampa call it, "God's Waiting Room.'

Since Michele has gotten all moralistic 'bout direct linking on me (I thought she was joking the first time she said that), I'll just post a url of the sort of signs Robert seems proud of:
Proud
Robert keep on spinning.

Just go to the page he linked.

Disgusting.

I am not even going to try argue with these wackos. Yep, what do you say to people would make a case for assassinating a member of you democratically elected government.

Cman22 as in semen 22? 22 is a pretty low count. I guess when facing how truly impotent you are, you end up wanting to do extreme things.

Brave, brave Sir Robert, bravely ran away. Tired of Damian's blog already? I guess it is sad when your own Canadian bloggers laugh themselves silly at you.

My recommendation on this is too wrap it all up and send it to the secret service (and FBI since it violates Postal law as well). This is clearly a violation of federal statutes and as such they are required to act.

Interesting. Michele says:

Your moral equivelancy stinks. Why is it that everytime a Dem does something idiotic, someone has to say, well Republicans do that too, so that makes it ok!

To which Cman22 replies:

Don't even start this, this is the republican platform.

The irony, children! The irony!

"Just go to the page he linked.

Disgusting."

More like comically out of touch. It doesn't make me mad when wahoos marginalize themselves.

"Do I really need to remind you how many times we heard "Well Clinton got a BJ" when the WMD lie exploded in Shrubs face?"

I never saw that statement made. I'd say this is based on some heated discussions by the far left amongst themselves, postulating what they thought the Right was saying.

Repeated often enough, and it becomes truth....just like that old game of repeating a story, person to person, and seeing how the last person's version stacks up against the original.

"Reich Wing Scum" "...it is anti-free speech to bash someone for speaking their mind" "Neocons like Charles advocate genocide on a daily basis" -- WTF is this, somebody give a pack of 'tards a day pass?

Perhaps this is the beginning of their long, humilating downfall.

This isn't the beginning of their downfall. This is them hitting rock bottom and smashing right through it.

I know I'm coming in late, but just to correct an earlier statement, this was not a small ad. This was a full-page display ad.

In addition, this wasn't "some Democratic club", but an official Democratic club, listed as such by the Pinellas County Democratic Party.

Details and transcription here:
http://tnor.org/blog/archives/000163.html

"somebody give a pack of 'tards a day pass?"

Satire maybe? I'm pretty sure "Social Justice" is goofing on the left wing's approach to "freedom of speech." Not sure abut Robert McClelland, but he's funny enough that it doesn't matter.

Andrea, the reason the loopy left is so pissed-off at Charles is he used to be one of them. They really hate apostates, almost as much as Islam (where the penalty as per Qu'ran is death).

Andrew: Which, in a nutshell, is why some of my (especially long time)readers are so rabid in their hatred towards me.

I actually received an answer from the John Kerry campaign:

Dear Friend,

Thank you for writing to the John Kerry campaign about the recent ad put
out by the St. Petersburg, Florida Democratic Club.

This ad is outrageous and does not in any way reflect the position of our
campaign. We hope that those responsible will retract the statement,
apologize for it and move on to more productive pursuits.

I have not checked yet to see if there was a public repudiation of the ad on their web site yet.

Odd, in my experience it's usually "Clinton got impeached for a BJ" that's brought up by some people gunning to get Bush impeached by claiming he lied about WMDs. While all the icky people who don't think Bush should be impeached tend to respond by pointing out facts that prove Bush wasn't lying.

Alas, I guess in addition to the "but they do it TOOOO...." it's "but they would do it TOOOO...." as well. Except "they" haven't.

This is late in the thread. But I created this for a Fark photoshop in response to yet another recitation of Killed/Wounded US Military/Iraqis numbers as evidence of Bush's Overwhelming Eeevil:

At what point do these people fall under the authority of laws of treason?

Hi Sushi!

Sedition and Treason is apparently cool to these idiotarians...

Come to think of it, I'm hoping for an "In My World" version of this incident in Frank J's www.imao.us website. :)

Patrick -- great idea. The Rumsfeld Strangler strikes again. RARR!!