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Do I Need to Put This in a Dick and Jane Primer?

Dear Mr. Simplebox.com. Since you want me to register on your site to leave you a comment, I will do it here instead. You say:
Those words were prompted by an episode in Kerbala. An aide to Sadr had been killed and when his body was carried away people were chanting, "Today we will free Kerbala from the Jews." There's no question that the chanting is hateful and speaks of a generalized rage that it may not be possible to dissipate peacefully. But I don't think you have to be Mother Teresa to work up enough empathy to see how those sentiments could arise in a population under occupation. The question that really bothers me, though, is this: How much distinction is there between those chanting crowds and our warbloggers? Notice the way that the distinction between Muslims and radical Muslims is sometimes acknowledged and sometimes elided in the quoted passage. If these warbloggers are right about the nature of the conflict, then what would victory look like? The question isn't just how many American lives are we willing to spend. We also have to ask how many people we're willing to kill. It looks to me like the warbloggers and the radical Muslims agree that if you kill everybody who isn't part of your clan then you've got it about right.
For those of you too slow to comprehend, let me repeat this for you in a simple, easy to understand style. Terrorists kill. Terrorists kill innocent people. Terrorists like the ones above would like everyone except those who are radical Muslims like themselves dead or under their power. Warbloggers (speaking for myself, really) do not want to kill everyone who isn't like them. I do not want you dead. I do not want Jews or Protestants or people who worship space aliens dead. I do not want to kill Africans or Brazilians or Red Sox fans. However, I would like to kill those who would, if given the chance, guide a jumbo jet into a skyscraper. I would like to kill those who think Jews should be wiped off the face of the eartht, women, children and Jewish pets included. I would like to kill those who stand behind little girls while shooting at people. I live among many people who aren't in "my clan." I love many of them. We practice different religions and have different ethnic backgrounds. And as long as they don't committ themselves to tying on a suicide belt and killing my family, I won't be looking to take them out. Got it? Personally, I don't see anything wrong with that.

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Comments

I've always wanted to say that, Michele, but could never quite get the verbiage right.

Nice job.

You know how bad this is getting?--By the time I got to the sentence that begins, "There's no question," I knew there would be a "but."

It's getting so I can recognize the syntax immediately, on first viewing. I never used to read things that way. It's depressing.

I cannot stand their suicidal idiocy anymore.

It's a frickin' game to them, isn't it?

And the terrorists are quoting that Lady Killer Teddy Kennedy. Have you seen the AP wire lately?

Al-Sadr said Iraq will become "another Vietnam" for the United States unless it transfers power to Iraqis who are not connected with the U.S.-led occupation authority.

"I call upon the American people to stand beside their brethren, the Iraqi people, who are suffering an injustice by your rulers and the occupying army, to help them in the transfer of power to honest Iraqis," al-Sadr said in a statement issued from his office in the southern city of Najaf. "Otherwise, Iraq will be another Vietnam for America and the occupiers."

Nice of Ted to give such comfort to the enemy!

You sure you won't reconsider on the Red Sox fans? How about just Red Sox fans who wear "Jeter swallows" shirts?

So now the Left is going to start accusing US of "moral equivalency"? Jesus Christ, my head hurts.

"Historical inevitability"? What exactly do these people not understand about 9/11?

Some time back, I had an email exchange with Armed Liberal. He was concerned about too many Palestinians being killed and referred to complete destruction of the Palestinians (to gain lasting peace) as "genocide". To this, I replied that if they force you to kill them all, it's not genocide but suicide.

That's also my take on those "chanting crowds".

Forgive me for not being an absolutist, but I think that complex events call for a conjunction or two.

Oh Jesus H Christ, Simplebox has already "replied" to your post:

http://simplebox.org/thebellman/weblog.php?id=P39

Coming as NO SUPRISE WHATSOEVER, he immediately breaks out the "oversimplification" charge. See, your attitude just isn't "subtle" and "nuanced" enough.

Oy, and then there's the "how dare they attack a mosque! (that's filled with terrorists shooting at our soldiers) We might offend the Iraqis! (who are obviously stupid dark savages who won't understand what we're trying to do)"

Hello,

Zwichenzug's point (I think) is that he doesn't see a great deal of care in this blog to distinguish between (terroristic, jew-hating) radical islamists and more peaceful practitioners of Islam.

Over here on the left, we aren't great fans of terrorism, but we see that an essential piece of victory against terrorism is winning over those latter folks. We'd like to see the U.S. military (and 'warbloggers') keep in mind that a) those people (who we need) are there, and that b) they live in the same neighborhoods as the people you are advocating killing.

Bellman, you and Zwichenzug need go back and read it again if you don't see Michele distinguishing between radicals and peaceful practitioners. Here is the quote from this post:

However, I would like to kill those who would, if given the chance, guide a jumbo jet into a skyscraper. I would like to kill those who think Jews should be wiped off the face of the eartht, women, children and Jewish pets included. I would like to kill those who stand behind little girls while shooting at people.

I think that's very specific about whom she would like to kill. Those are exactly the people I would like to kill. And in case you missed it, those are the very people who would kill us if they are not killed first.

Aside to Michele, regarding an earlier post: the Wikipedia article about Jews has moved up to Number Two on Google. It seems to be working.

“that it MAY not be possible to dissipate peacefully”

He thinks a peaceful solution is possible with Sadr and his people? He has absolutely no idea what’s going on.

“Notice the way that the distinction between Muslims and radical Muslims is sometimes acknowledged and sometimes elided in the quoted passage.”

WTF? Give me statements with substance. Don’t give me the first sentence of a conspieocy theory. Oh no, Michele is a “Hitler” blogger and her readers are mindless sheep, Soon their simple minds will not be able to distinguish between radical Muslims and all Muslims. I've read a little of your site and have a suggestion. Stop being a condescending asshole and making simple statements yourself.

It's soooooooooooooooooooooooo f-ing virtuous to talk about peace, isn't it? I mean, you can't really go wrong, can you?

Yes, so then let's be 'sheep' and follow that advice through to it's logical conclusion. We offer the terrorists a big group hug, and we appease them with offers of...WHAT?

Leave them alone? Give them money? Wall off the West to the rest of the world? Mass conversion to Islam? Nope, not even that would work. Know why? They're fascists, and need to be knocked into next Sunday, just like we did all the others.

It worked, didn't it? That little Nazi problem? Gone. Benito? Finito. Hmmm.

Come on, virtuous peace-sheep - let's think outside the box, for just a minut: the only thing that will work for terrorists - who don't consider peace, diplomacy, and negotiation as their Top-three - is if everyone they don't like is dead. And believe me, if they 'happen' to us again, they won't spare you because you're "nice" to them, okay?

Sheesh.