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Reading for Comprehension, Lesson 2

[This post has been updated several times] Note to August: Perhaps Kos did not "erase" his Google cache; the thing that miffed me the most was the underhanded way in which he redirected the links so that those who linked to his original post were now linking to his lame explanation. If you read my post correctly - which you obviously didn't - you would realize that I was calling Kos out on his bullshit way of dealing with a backlash, and not so much the words that he wrote. Allow me to quote myself: bq. It's not just about his disgusting words anymore. That just proved Zuniga to be an ignorant bastard. It's his actions that followed the negative reactions to his words that proved Zuniga a coward, a weakling, a cheat and a liar. I dare any left out there to try and justify what Zuniga did. That is, to act as if those words never existed, rather than offer an apology or stand up and defend his feelings on Fallujah. The main theme of the post was: Zuniga is a coward with no balls. Got it? P.S. August, please note that the links in your post do not link to the original post Kos made, as you claim they do. Update: While I will admit that Kos did not delete the Google cache, as I stated in the original post, he still was incredibly dishonest in the way he manuevered his links. Also, it's not fair to judge people by the weblog commenters of people who comment on their weblog. Follow that? I do not condone the murder of Kos. That's just absurd. I don't think he's a traitor that needs to be hung. All I want is for him to admit that he engaged in some low class deception. I'll never ask for an apology for his original words, because you can't makes someone apologize for what they feel, no matter how ugly you think it is. I just want him to admit he's a coward and a cheat. One more thing, I still maintain that Kos's original statements were actually in a post of their own, and NOT the comments. You can tell if you go back and look at the links of everyone who linked to the story early on in the day - their links point to the explanation even though those bloggers actually wrote about Kos's words before the explanation went up. Therefore, Kos played a game of deception. And lost. Any Encyclopedia Brown fan could have figured this one out with a little legwork. [By the way, Kos's original statements were made at 10:08, as captured in many a blog post. The screenshot of the statement that was moved to the comments section says the post was made at 15:08. Explain, please?] This has become an issue of truth, now. It's no longer, for me at least, one about some harsh, ugly words Zuniga uttered about the deaths of civilians.

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Well put Michelle, thank you.

Yes, they do. Middle of the page. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/1/144156/3224. Looking at it right now. Same comment, same time code in that guy's screenshot. That he deleted, or moved, or did anything to the comment is simply a lie. No one bothered to check for the comment themselves, because they rushed to make a knee-jerk reaction that would allow them a great post on their site about a popular left-wing site.

You have every right to call the comment offensive, because it was. But most of the people called it offensive via a complete set of BS apparently started by LGF- which as I noted before, not exactly the bastion of tolerance and resistance to offensive comments, is it.

No, I still don't get it. Your main "theme" was suppoted by a personal opinion, weighted by numerous untruthful statements. If your belief is that Kos is a "coward with no balls" simply for the "screw them" line, fine. But unlike the many who will never delete their Bill-Maher-style defemation tirades, Kos at least acknowledged the comment and reworded his feelings.

Sorry if Kos' response doesn't satisfy you, but it's a lot more from Kos that most right-wing hate sites, including the aforementioned one you linked to in your own thread, who simply favor deleting opposing comments and offering no apologies for any of the bile they spew. Kos said something wrong, but the moral superiority here is chaotically irnoic.

As is my spelling.

Coming in late to this discussion, but I don't get it. The screenshot you'd provided from Michael Friedman shows that Kos had written a comment to something somebody else had posted (I recognize the format of the title and permalink).

Just to make sure, though, I actually typed in the URL (
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/1/144156/3224) that appears in the screenshot. Figured that's the best way to see if what USED to be there is still there. Martin has the same link in his story, but I went ahead and typed it out anyway.

This takes you to a thread started by gregonthe28th called "Corpses on the Cover." It's a long thread, so I did a search on the term "xbox." Doing this immediately finds the statement in question.

I can understand the outrage about what he'd written, but everything else seems to be simply not true. He didn't redirect, delete, or attempt to whitewash anything. He didn't act as if those words never existed; in fact, seems to me like he did the exact opposite, calling them out on a front page post instead of letting them remain buried in his message boards.

Oops. Ditto on what August said, obviously.

It WAS an original post on it's own early in the day. I read it myself. And no, he shouldn't be hung, murdered, etc. But I would like to see the little shit make those statements in front of a group of Marines. But he wouldn't because there would be no firewall to hide behind.

Michele,
One more thing, I still maintain that Kos's original statements were actually in a post of their own, and NOT the comments. You can tell if you go back and look at the links of everyone who linked to the story early on in the day - their links point to the explanation even though those bloggers actually wrote about Kos's words before the explanation went up. Therefore, Kos played a game of deception. And lost. Any Encyclopedia Brown fan could have figured this one out with a little legwork.
LGF has this link twice (1 & 2) on their front page. You can tell from the URL that it was originally a comment.

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2004/4/1/144156/3224/16

As opposed to the URL in the Friedman screen shot, or on August's site, which links to the story itself:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/4/1/144156/3224

If you try to enter the URL of the comment, it redirects to his other statement. If you enter the URL of "Corpses on the Cover," there is no redirection. Same if you change the 16 at the end of the LGF link to a 15 or a 17.

So I stand corrected on the redirection thing. Looks like he did redirect any links to his specific comment, then you ARE, in fact, taken to his other post.

One more thing, I still maintain that Kos's original statements were actually in a post of their own, and NOT the comments.

You've proved it anyway, and so have others, but I can personally vouch for that myself. I read it yesterday morning. It was its own post, period. Not "some comments I made somewhere."

His dissembling about the affair tells the world he's ashamed of it, and I think he should be--but then he should have the cojones to say so without playing the You Don't Know What My Childhood Was Like card.

I think it particularly bothers me because my dad has always been death on this kind of thing. He always says, "When you've screwed up, SAY you screwed up and then leave it at that. If the person you offended wants to know all your rationalizations for it, he'll ask. Otherwise, say you're sorry and then shut up."

That'd be about the gist of my advice to Kos at this point. But then, he's not exactly soliciting any, is he?

Reading for Comprehension - "you keep using that word...I do not think it means what you think it mean"

Revisionist history, in less than a day.

It was an orginal post, just hanging out there at the top of his page. I'm not interested in going back to look and see what he's doing to try to disguise it. It was bad enough as it was, this just makes it worse.

"That he deleted, or moved, or did anything to the comment is simply a lie."

No, it isn't.

Jung:

You nailed it. The original wasn't merely a comment on someone else's thread, it was a post in its own right. Links which DID point to the original now point to the apology.

To those of you out there defending Kos or pretending he isn't trying to shove this down the memory hole, stop. Just stop. The past exists, O'Brien.

How can this even be controversial? There were like a dozen blogs that covered this before the post was changed including mine...

http://www.rightwingnews.com/archives/week_2004_03_28.PHP#001905

Michele,
I saw it as a post, not a comment - I was amazed that he said 'somewhere in my comments' when it was the actual post. You are correct.