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What year is this, anyhow?

It's not just the far left moonbats that are pissing me off these days. The far right bigots are certainly holding their own.
Rhea County [TN] commissioners unanimously voted to ask state lawmakers to introduce legislation amending Tennessee's criminal code so the county can charge homosexuals with crimes against nature. "We need to keep them out of here," said Commissioner J.C. Fugate, who introduced the motion. County Attorney Gary Fritts also was asked by Fugate to find the best way to enact a local law banning homosexuals from living in Rhea County. .... Rhea County, about 30 miles north of Chattanooga, is among the most conservative in Tennessee. It holds an annual festival commemorating the 1925 trial that convicted John T. Scopes on charges of teaching evolution, a verdict thrown out by the Tennessee Supreme Court on a technicality. [emphasis min]
We have a long way to go before this country can call itself progressive. There are no amount of words that convey my anger towards the people of Rhea County. This is sheer lunacy. Nevermind that the whole thing, like Michael Totten says, is unconstitutional and will never pass. Just the mere fact that there are people who think like this, people who agree with them and people who condone this behavior as if it were a righteous thing to do makes me wonder exactly how much we as people have evolved. There is no defense for this behavior. None. You certainly have the right to be biased towards homosexuals, but to try to make your bigoted, ignorant, neanderthal views law is reprehensible. Sickening.

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Amen, sister.

I doubt you'll get much disagreement on this one... no one who is that right wing is intellegent enough to use the internet... or use a computer... or type... or write above the 4th grade level.

This ain't Christian and it ain't conservative, it's Neanderthal!

Whoops you already said that last phrase, Michele.

>I doubt you'll get much disagreement on this one... >no one who is that right wing is intellegent enough >to use the internet... or use a computer... or >type... or write above the 4th grade level.

>This ain't Christian and it ain't conservative, >it's Neanderthal!

Nothing like fighting bigotry with bigotry. Or taking the time to understand sombody.

At first I was gonna agree with you, RL, and apologize... but isn't fighting bigotry with bigotry a potential effective technique to expose these people to the errors in thier thinking? Obviously, my comments were tongue-in-cheek, as over-the-top hyperbole often is.

It's when you actually believe the hyperbole is when you got problems.

RL, what a bunch of crap. Let's take, oh, say, the KKK for example. The battle against the KKK is nothing if not bigotry fighting bigotry. The difference is, the KKK's bigotry advocates lynchings and bombing churches (or at least that used to be the case). Of course, if you want to sit down in a nice pow-wow with a group of KKKers and try to "understand" them, I guess that's your thing. It would be a stupid thing, but at least it would just be YOUR stupid thing.

Yeah, but if that law stands maybe we can get all the people who "think" like that in one place. Then an Israeli-style wall goes up around the county border and we jam all their TV with "Queer Eye". It'd be fun, and it sure beats dealing with Islamokazis.

Pity. All my gay friends have been just dying to move to Rhea County, and now this :|

There isn't much difference between these narrow minded religious extremists in Rhea county, and other extremeists like the taliban. Basically, they are not content with just believing within themselves what they maintain is true, but they believe they have the right to force everybody else to live by their views on what is right and wrong.

Maybe a healthy does of (social) liberalism would help all round.

JFH, RL is right, you've insulted the memory of Neanderthals.
Apologise!

Ken, there are plenty of differences between the Taliban and our most intolerant Christians.

When Jerry Falwell fills a stadium with women and slaughters them for crimes like having hairdos then I'll conceed the point...

You know our right wing is a lot more liberal than it used to be. I giggle whenever someone calls GWB a racist or sexist, for instance. I tell them to bring that up with Condi Rice.

This refusal to make any distinctions, to credit our achievments, is the reason that our much of our politics is insane.

I'm totally for full rights for gays, and even polys etc...

But my reaction to anyone who accuses our social conservatives of being NO BETTER than the Taliban is FOAD.

While I agree completely about the Rhea county thing, etc, I am fairly sure I don't want this country to ever be "Progressive".

Old Whig, yes. Progressive, no. Unless maybe we're talking insurance, in which case Let A Thousand Flowers Bloom, etc.

It will never pass. Its a waste of time. But let them pass it. I mean would anyone really want to live there...anyway.

I keep wondering how they're going to identify the gay people. Perhaps they'll require them all to declare themselves somehow? Maybe by wearing a pretty gold star patch on their clothing? Or maybe with serial numbers tattooed on their wrists?

Sig: Progressive Insurance actually gives money to the likes of MoveOn.org. It ain't just a name.

These guys are idiots. What is up with Tennessee? I thought Florida was full of crazy people. From what I've read, the actual citizens of said region are not as primitive as their leader, but a little more outcry would be re-assuring.

Who do you think they'll vote for, Kerry or Bush? (to imitate the stupidity of the 'terrorists want Kerry in power therefore a vote for Kerry is a vote for the terrorists' notion floating around the right wing blogs).

Ken, there are plenty of differences between the Taliban and our most intolerant Christians.

The former gained political control of a country, and the latter haven't, at least so far.

Does anyone here seriously doubt that Pat Robertson would have a problem with herding homosexuals into death camps and gassing them? Hell, just do the math: he's pro-death penalty. He favors the death penalty for child molesters. He believes that all homosexuals are, by nature, child molesters. Therefore...

Florida full of crazy people? Man, Florida is way down on the list.

Scott:
Or very well styled hair, al la Queer Eye for the Straight Guy. Mousse and a casual jacket.

Dan:
"Does anyone here seriously doubt that Pat Robertson would have a problem with herding homosexuals into death camps and gassing them?"

Yes, I do.

I understand that as a companion bill, the commission passed a three-tooth maximum for residents of that county.

"Does anyone here seriously doubt that Pat Robertson would have a problem with herding homosexuals into death camps and gassing them? Hell, just do the math: he's pro-death penalty..."
Guess you don't know much about Christianity, huh? Just what they taught you in public school, right?

With craziness like this on both side I just try and hope that fringes balance each other out. But to be honest I think that this stuff is much less dangerous coming from the fring right. These folks have been marginalized to a large degree. I tend to worry more about the loony fringe on the left because they can actually gain positions of power.

For example, this nonsense is occuring in Rhea county. I'm sure we could identify equally strange leftist nonsense in places like San Fran

"You know our right wing is a lot more liberal than it used to be."

It has certainly shifted.

"I giggle whenever someone calls GWB a racist or sexist, for instance. I tell them to bring that up with Condi Rice."

I don't giggle because that usually provokes some of the most vile racism and sexism.

Guess you don't know much about Christianity, huh? Just what they taught you in public school, right?

Are we talking about what Christians claim to believe, or reality? I'm familiar with both. I was raised Christian, and attended Sunday school for all of my childhood. I grew up in an overwhelmingly conservative Christian community (primarily Baptist, some Pentacostals), although my family was generic middle-class Episcopalian.

The Bible advocates peace, love and understanding. It also advocates genocide and the murder of homosexuals. Historically, Christians have, like members of all religions, cherry-picked which teachings to follow.

No follower of Christ's teachings can be pro-death-penalty or favor any war. Yet the United States, an overwhelmingly Christian nation, is strongly pro-death-penalty, and perfectly willing to fight wars when necessary.

The Christian response to 9-11 would be to forgive Osama bin Laden, not to track down him and his followers and kill them. Yet, strangely, I don't know a single Christian who holds that opinion. Whcih makes me happy, actually; I view it as a victory of sanity over religious belief.

Virtually all Christians are people first and Christians a distant second. When threatened, they fight back. When faced with things they hate, they express hatred. When given power over those they view as evil, they treat them badly.

Christians can, and will, engage in mass murder, even genocide. Every Christian nation, including the United States (if you count us as a Christian nation, which most conservative Christians do), has done so.

So yes, I think that if you took a deeply insane and evil person like Pat Robertson, and gave him the power of life and death over people he'd love to see butchered wholesale, you'd get mass murder.

The Scopes Monkey Trial happened because some folks in Rhea County in 1925 noticed the Tennessee state law banning the teaching of evolution and decided to drum up a bit of tourist business by staging a trial. I have a sneaking suspicion that something similar is happening here--the fact that the vote was unanimous makes me even more suspicious.

Let's add some fuel to the fire:

In 50 years, Saleh Al-Saieri, a Saudi businessman has married 58 women, including eight Yemenis, and then divorced 54 of them. Every time the wives hear that Al-Saieri has found a new prospect, they begin wondering who is next to go. Al-Saieriís extended family includes 36 children from 15 wives and he has married into 30 tribes across Saudi Arabia.

married 58 women

What?!? No men?

Wasn't there a Saudi King who married 900 women?

Course, being a king that 4 wife rule didn't apply to him anymore than it applied to Mahammoud, so he didn't divorce any of them.

But there are work arounds for more regular guys too. I think there's some sort of not-quite-a-wife-but-you-can-fuck status that Osama has a bunch of fillies in. Then there's the temporary wife contract. Recommended for Muslims living in non-Muslim countries. I wonder if they are required to tell a wife that she's temporary? I suspect that for Wahabi (Salafi?) types you are never required to tell an infidel anything, since I've read ruling after ruling that says that God gives them the right to take anything from us and no duty to be fair in return.

In fact I think a Salafi is allowed to marry an infidel, but not to be her friend, say good morning to her or wish her well on any of her holidays.

In fact Salafis are required to hate infidels. Does that apply to their wives?

The Bible advocates peace, love and understanding.

That's Elvis Costello* you're thinking of, not Jesus. And Mr. Costello was less advocating and more questioning exactly what was so funny about those concepts.

  • I believe Nick Lowe wrote it.

In 50 years, Saleh Al-Saieri, a Saudi businessman has married 58 women, including eight Yemenis, and then divorced 54 of them

How many of them were Elizabeth Taylor?

Nick Lowe, Jesus, whoever. Bill you're nitpicking.

"the county can charge homosexuals with crimes against nature."

Anyone remember the Clint Eastwood film, Any Which Way You Can? It included the line (from a police officer): "Son, you are a walking violation of the laws of nature. We don't enforce those laws."

"Basically, they are not content with just believing within themselves what they maintain is true, but they believe they have the right to force everybody else to live by their views on what is right and wrong."

Hmmm. And how is this different from the Leftists?

My wife and I live in Rhea County, TN - and I'll be the first to tell you that the county commission does not speak for me. I view homosexuality as an unnatural act and a choice of lifestyle, but also feel homosexuals have the right to their lifestyle as much as I have the right to mine, as people in general and citizens of the US in particular.

JT

The county commission has unanimously decided against the measure.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/8225337.htm

Rhea county's what I was afraid of when the whole gay marriage business started. Times are changing, and people are getting calmer about the thought of a gay couple living next door, but pushing the word "marriage" was a mistake.

Sometimes attitudes have to be outlived, and the old "Homosexuals are bad!" pattern is going to take another ten years to die down far enough that the idea of two people of the same sex getting married isn't going to produce a backlash.

In a way, though, I'm glad the ugliness is out in the open. People muttering nasty words under their breath scares me worse.

Hmmm. And how is this different from the Leftists?

Is that really the line of argument you want to use? "Well, conservative Christian fundamentalists really aren't any worse than Noam Chomsky and Ted Rall..."

I concede the point. They're not really any worse than the leftie moonbats I saw marching in "peace" rallies a year ago. Which still puts them somewhere between "wouldn't pee on them if they were on fire" and "rat bastard" in my book.