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File Under "People Who Should Get Fired" University of Colorado football coach Gary Barnett*, upon learning that former placekicker Katie Hnida was raped while she was on the his football team: You know what guys do, they respect your ability. Katie was a girl, and not only was she a girl, she was terrible, OK? There's no other way to say it.She couldn't kick the ball through the uprights. Don't even start on how she was a terrible player. Yea, she sucked. What the hell does that have to do with her being raped by her teammates? Did the Yankees all gang-bang Chuck Knoblauch because he was error-prone? Jumpinjesus, man. What balls. Fire his ass. Now. [via Atrios and the Balloon guy. *corrected from earlier post

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It was actually UC football coach Gary Barnett who made those comments. President Elizabeth Hoffman put him on leave because of them.

Still, something is certainly rotten in Boulder.

actually, i think it was Gary Barnett (the coach) who said that... he was put on "administrative leave". yeah, like that ever hurt anybody.

i don't think he should get fired... he should get raped. not only is he a terrible person, but he's a bad coach (when was the last good CU season?). and, according to his way of thinking, if you're bad at something, then you're just asking to be raped by your peers.

I don't get the objection. She was terrible. He didn't make this statement "upon learning that former placekicker Katie Hnida was raped." He made the statement, but not in the context you suggest.

Enlighten us, Rusty: what "context" was it in? Hnida's story surfaced on Tuesday, he was asked about the story on Wednesday. Why else would he even be talking about her?

I can't read his mind, so I don't know what he "really meant" by that. What it sounds like is he was excusing what happened to her because she wasn't (in his mind) a good player. That is indefensible.

PS to Michele: the Balloon guy's name is John Cole.

"according to his way of thinking, if you're bad at something, then you're just asking to be raped by your peers."

I don't think it's fair to assume, from information provided in either of the linked articles, that the coach thinks "if you're bad at something, then you're just asking to be raped by your peers."

Was it sensitive of him to publicly state that she was a crappy player once it had been revealed that she was raped? Hell, no. It just seems that a connection is being made here based on not a whole lot.

Also, before demanding that someone should be fired and/or raped (WTF?), keep in mind that the authors of those articles got to pick and choose which quotes to include. It's not as though we know that the coach's first response to hearing about the rape was "the girl deserved it because she played football poorly."

Come on, now.

As piggish as the comments may be there seems to be some disconnect to how he stated them.

"Barnett issued a statement saying he knew nothing about the rape and told television reporters she was an awful player who was not respected by the rest of the team."

Now did he read a statement and add his comments about her ability? Was he asked by a reporter why her male teammates didn't respect her? Or more generally was there a question that prompted his statement on her ability?

"What it sounds like is he was excusing what happened to her because she wasn't (in his mind) a good player."

That is what is sounds like. But I haven't seen the TV report. Perhaps his comments were piggish on their own regarding her ability but perhaps that statement was an answer to a different question...perhaps that statement was in reponse to another question.

"That is indefensible."

Yes it is. I want to know whether he's a chauvinist about women playing sports or a complete idiot who excuses rape by who the best players are. Granted we are unlikely to find out...either way Barnett is an asshole.

As a CU student, I'm ashamed of what has been going on. The commitee formed to investigate the sex-party claims had to dismiss two of the nine members within hours. One because of a prior connection to a player, and the second because he was a member of Promise Keepers. Not a good way to start out.

And considering CU's performance this season, Barnett shouldn't be talking.

Thlayi - I know his name. I just like calling him Balloon Guy.

We don't know what the context was since the report is not an entire transcript of the conversation. What we do know is that
Barnett told reporters Tuesday he knew of no evidence to back up Hnida's claim and said she had never told him about a sexual assault.

But for Michele (her other wonderful attributes aside) to suggest that this was the coaches reply to learning about Hnida's allegations is simply not true. The reporter may have asked him the question, "What did the players think of her? What did you think of her?" or any other number of questions.

Also, the coach probably knew much earlier than yesterday because, according to one report out today
[Assistant DA]Keenan said she told [CU President]Hoffman about both previously unpublicized sexual-assault allegations during a meeting Feb. 4.
also
Hnida, 22, who left CU in 2000 and now attends the University of New Mexico, met with Keenan last month to tell her about the alleged rape, Keenan said Tuesday
That is the allegations have been known for some time within CU, it was only Tuesday that the allegations went public. Big distinction.

Let's not get the rope and start the lynching quite yet.

A) I saw the TV report. I watched him say those words. You could practically see the "context" oozing out of him. What he was saying was "the players did not respect her because she was a terrible player." Which leads me to believe that if she were a good player, she would have her teammate's respect and they wouldn't have raped her.

B) Barnett has a reputation for being an ass.

C) A woman reported being raped by football players in Sep. 2001. After the coach met with the investigator, the girl"...was told that he (coach) would back his player 100 percent if she took this forward in the criminal process."

The guy is a jackass.
D)

"A) I saw the TV report. I watched him say those words. You could practically see the "context" oozing out of him. What he was saying was "the players did not respect her because she was a terrible player." Which leads me to believe that if she were a good player, she would have her teammate's respect and they wouldn't have raped her."

Thanks Michelle, the transcript wasn't quite clear and I will take your word for it.

I saw nothing in the remarks Katie Hneida to indicate that this is some sort of publicity stunt on her part. She was just relating that she felt she was treated badly at Colorado and was treated very well at New Mexico by comparison.

The Colorado football program has been in a lot of hot water for reports of sex parties for recruits (including some rape allegations) and other issues before this latest problem. That, along with Barnett's apparent lack of concern about another possible rape, led to the furor.

"I saw the TV report. I watched him say those words." Did you hear the question?

I think the Yankees did, in fact, gang rape Knoblauch. The video of it is available on the web.

Media Frenzy.

I am a CU alum, and have nothing but utter respect for Gary Barnett. The media is in a frenzy over this....

Here are the facts of the case:

According to the disposition, several girls in the dorm ran into a bunch of football players in the dorms, and invited them to a party. This was not a planned party, Gary Barnett had no way of knowing this party happened. The girls played century club, and handed out condoms. Sex happened, and maybe rape. However, the DA in this case, after trying really hard found absoulutely NO evidence that a rape occured. NO charges were ever filed. Now, since she is not going to file charges, she has decided to trial Gary Barnett and the entire football program in the media. She has encouraged these girls to file civil suits...

The allegation that Gary Barnett is sanctioning these parties is absurd. He had no possible way of knowing or controlling that party.

Onto Hnida. Why won't she name names or press charges?? How on Earth Can Gary Barnett investigate or control this matter when she won't give details. Why did she go public to Sports Illustrated, rather than throught the DAs office?

The last allegation, that Barnett stated he would 'back the player 100%' is pretty dumb really. The victim said she wanted Barnett to handle it, before she pressed charges. Of course a coach would back his player, until he is proven guilty. The fact that she never did press charges, has to say something about her trust for Barnett.

Barnett is being crucified and made the scapegoat for this unfairly. In the press conference, Barnett was asked "what kind of player Katie Hnida was" and of course, he exploded. He is frustrated, angry, and being dragged through the mud by ALLEGATIONS with NO CHARGES. He finally lost it. It was not a classy thing to say, but it certainly was not in any way a response to a quetstion about "why she was raped". It was a direct answer to a question about her ability as a football player. Should he have said "no comment??" Of course. But saying she is a bad football player is not cause for firing.

THere are MANY MANY MANY Univeristy officials nationwide shivering in their boots about right now.

I urge you to read the disposition of Miss Simpson. It is VERY VERY telling.

I just read this.

The fact is, Burnett not only had no control over his team, the whole sports department was out of control.

They used strippers and alcohol to recruit players who were minors at the time. And that's the least of it.

I read the deposition as well. I read the police statements. And this thread is NOT going to turn into one where I have to beat into someone's head that just because a girl is attracted to a guy and goes to a party with him does not give him the right to ignore the fact that she doesn't want to have sex with him.

This all comes down to privileged athletes getting a pass. Trust me, I know more about this subject than you care to get into.

CU is the new UNLV.

Do you think Katie Hnida has an obligation to name names? She makes a statement, through a magazine article, and says she will no longer comment. If she was raped...I hope they castrate the bastard.

But a drive by rape allegation....loses a little credibility....

Everyone should go to Pearl Street and drink, skip class, work etc.. until Barnett is fired. As a cSu fan and as someone who grew up in the community this program has been on the slide since the McCarthy era...they sold their souls for chamionship ball, and now they got what they got. A bunch of thugs that they call football players. The Rocky Mountain News just released a story about a 6th possible rape they are looking into. Some of this may or may not have happened before Barnett but he is a good one to start with on the firing line. Clearly he has lost control, and it's not like he is a great coach (as was the debate with say a Switzer etc...) anyway.

Oops that should read Bill McCartney era up there....preview preview preview.

Anyway another interesting angle in all of this, I was listening to ESPN Radio on my way home. The SI article was written by Rick Reilley, who is and has been a family friend of the girl for a long time, and who also has Colorado ties.

I don't think it is a made up story. I don't think Reilly would put his name on it if he had doubts.

And when a guy wants to be the bigshot headcoach...he is the one that has to do the splainin when things fall apart. Media frenzy or not. It's his program, he is responsible.

If it were one rape, or one or even two late night parties that got out of hand, fine, unfortunately these things happen. But 6 separate investigations? And then his at best insensitive and untimely comments about one of the female players involved??? And you don't think the media is going to have a problem with that?

Saying Katie Hnida was a "terrible" place-kicker isn't true. I've seen her kick some long FGs in practice in Albuquerque, New Mexico. She's a little short and because of that most of her kicks don't go quite that high in the air. Because of her kicking style, and UNM's Offensive line, her extra point attempt was blocked by UCLA the one and only time she got to play in a game. But to call her a "terrible" kicker in the context of press conference held to talk about Katie's rape allegations is not only deplorable it is patently false.

The coach was asked by a reporter what he thought of Hnida as a player, he gave his opinion,it had nothing to do with the allegations. I saw it on Fox this morning. I`m not willing to hang him or the other accused simply on accusations 2 years after the alleged fact. What about the girl? Why is she saying all this now?
She even said she never wanted to persue any legal charges. So? Maybe he is a prick, so what?
Until I know for sure, I`m willing to give him the benifit of the doubt. That`s how it`s supposed to work anyway.

Sorry...Ralph Wiggums is me, I forgot to change it.

The gist of the Hnida interview I saw was that the rape came after a long string of harassment of her by other CU players. She tried to object, but Barnett made it clear at the time that he didn't want her around, period.

Given that history, for Barnett to take this particular occasion to go out of his way to say what a rotten player he thought she is was monumentally stupid, in addition to showing himself as an asshole. For him to later go on Larry King and claim that everything he said was actually out of love and concern for Katie was simply pathetic.

I'm a Sooner fan and it won't hurt my feelings if you CU fans get your wish and keep the guy. I can't help feeling kinda good about Bob Stoops' chances in future recruiting battles against Gary Barnett...

"They used strippers and alcohol to recruit players who were minors at the time..."

What a rip-off it was going to USC! They get all the fun up at CU.

"But 6 separate investigations? And then his at best insensitive and untimely comments about one of the female players involved???"

4 of the them allegedly occured at the one party. No charges have ever been filed.

1 is Katie Hnida, who did not press charges or name names

1 also did not press charges.

The new allegation yesterday said she "met two big black guys at a bar, they looked like they could have been football players" but does not remember anything about how she got home because she was drunk. Yes, she said, they were big and black, so must have been football players. Hello?????
1 of 2 DNA tests has come back negative, another pending. (This is the ONLY case that is still pending LEGAL results)

They may have all happened. But doesn't someone have to prove something at some point? Ever?

And for the people worrying about strippers and alcohol...well....that is certainly a societal problem, not a football team problem. Underage drinking on college campusses? Raise your hands!!!

Gary Barnett is a scapegoat. Media sensationalism.

And for the people worrying about strippers and alcohol...well....that is certainly a societal problem, not a football team problem

Wrong, in this case. The strippers and alcohol were used WITH KNOWLEDGE of the sports department and football coaches in the recruiting of high school players. It was part of the football program.

I am not defending alcohol and strippers, necessarily...however......absolutely, positively, every single D-1 Football coach is shaking in their boots....because it happens at USC, DUKE, Tennessee, Florida, etc. etc. etc. etc.

It also happens at Fraternities, Sororites....the Universtities know that. Should all presidents of Universities be fired? I think it's a societal problem. Is Barnett supposed to sleep at each players house to make sure they don't drink?

When I visited CU in highscool for orientation, it was not a problem to find a party and drink. I was 18...and illegal.

Until something is proven that Gary Barnett knew, he's being scapegoated.

Now, I would not be opposed to the NCAA coming in and start enforcing sweeping changes in recruiting nationwide....but it's not a CU problem only.

That's just nonsensical, implying that because it's widespread we should overlook it at CU. Where do we start then? We aren't allowed to start changing things unless we do it fairly at every school where there's a problem? That is a completely ahistorical approach to problem solving: traditionally we do start when something becomes a scandal, and somebody who is actually guilty is not a scapegoat just because he is the first to draw public attention to a problem.

What is Barnett guilty of?