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the new york times: your ultimate source for getting chicks into bed

A three page story about pick-up artists. In the New York Times. The writing is horrible. The content is laughable.

"I'll tell you something," I said. "I live in Los Angeles. It's where the most beautiful women in the country come to try and make it. And do you know what I've learned? Beauty is common. It's something you're born with, or you pay for. What counts is what you make of yourself."

Come on ladies, would you fall for that garbage?

I swear this whole article is made up. I bet the author, Neil Strauss, is Jayson Blair in disguise.

It's a sad time when we're peddling out our writing for free, and this guy gets a NYT byline for a badly written story about picking up hot chicks in trendy bars by acting like a pompous jerk.

Sad fact #2: Scott Baio is still dating models and wears a $40,000 watch.


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I'll bet he uses Glade country vanilla for cologne.

Hey, what's wrong with Scott Baio?

Willie Aames, maybe, but Scott Baio was cool.

Michael Douglas is married to Catherine Zeta-Jones. Girls never lose their teenage crushes. Leif Garrett is probably still dating models.

Anyway, I hope the watch thing means he invested his earnings wisely.

Scott Baio has quite the reputation as a ladies man. He's dated famous women too, like Heather Locklear.

The fast seduction crew value the hunt over the kill--they'd rather know they could get a girl into bed than actually do it, and it's more important to them to win a gorgeous chick than to actually have good sex. I've read them asserting that your value is based completely on looks, and they'd rather score a Playboy bunny who just lays there than a fat woman who is great in bed and gives terrific blow jobs.

It's not really about sex, then; it's just another game for boys to compete in, and women are the game equipment and playing field, but are unimportant in the end.

What would get your attention more:

1. The 20th guy that night coming up to you and telling you how beautiful you are?

2. Some guy talking crap like in the above paragraph.

The article isn't made up. Most of the stuff taught by these "Pick-up artists" is basic self-confidence and fashion tips. Women have Cosmo and group trips to the bathroom to teach them these things. Men don't.

Scott Baio is also rumored to be packing the big sausage. Woof!

Scott Baio is my hero.

You die, bitch!

I had the biggest crush on Erin Moran -- and therefore hated Chachi with a passion. Then I found out Erin was an airhead.

But I still hate Chachi with a passion. The true passions never die.

Did the whole Scott Baio bit sound like a setup to anyone else?

I wonder what his percentage is...

Don't pick on Scott Baio. He's a Republican in Hollywood -- that makes him a braver man than I. Heh.

TO MICHELLE:

FOR YOUR INFORMATION, SCOTT BAIO HAS MADE THREE (3) SMALL INDEPENDENT MOVIES AFTER 2000. "VERY MEAN MEN" , "FACE TO FACE" AND "THE BREAD, MY SWEET" (a.k.a. "A WEDDING FOR BELLA").

HIS PERFORMANCE IN THE FIRST MOVIE GARNERED THIS RAVE REVIEW FROM VARIETY: "A CAREER-REVIVING TURN BY SCOTT BAIO."

THE SECOND FILM ABOUT FATHERS AND SONS RECEIVED THE BEST COMEDY TROPHY AT THE MARCO ISLAND FILM FESTIVAL.

FINALLY, THE THIRD AND LAST CINEMATIC GEM WON MULTIPLE TOP ACCOLADES AS BEST FEATURE IN THE SANTA MONICA, STONY BROOK, MARCO ISLAND, HOUSTON WORLDFEST AND IOWA HARDACRE FILM FESTIVALS.

MORE IMPORTANTLY, SCOTT BAIO EARNED THREE (3) BEST ACTOR PRIZES FOR HIS LEAD PERFORMANCE IN "THE BREAD, MY SWEET" FROM THE ATLANTIC CITY FILM FESTIVAL, THE KANSAS CITY HALFWAY TO HOLLYWOOD FILM FESTIVAL AND THE SAN DIEGO FILM FESTIVAL.

IS THAT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU? HOW ABOUT AN APOLOGY? DON'T BE A BITCH.

NEXT TIME, PLEASE STOP BEING VICIOUSLY CRUEL TO SCOTT. THE LEFTWING CULTURAL ELITE WHO RULE THE NEW HOLLYWOOD ALREADY MISTREAT HIM AND OTHER REPUBLICAN OR NONLIBERAL ARTISTS AND CELEBRITIES LIKE THEY WERE THE JEWS IN WORLD WAR II EUROPE OR THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS BEFORE THE CIVIL RIGHTS ERA. IT'S WHAT INSIDERS CALL "THE GREYLIST".

UNDER SUCH ADVERSE CIRCUMSTANCES, SCOTT BAIO IS TRYING TO GROW AS AN ARTIST AND EMULATE FELLOW TEEN IDOLS LIKE AWARD-WINNING INDY FILM ACTOR MATT DILLON RATHER THAN SUCCUMBING TO THE TABLOID FATES OF OTHER EX-CHILD STARS WHO HAD GONE FROM CELEBRITY REHAB CLINICS TO SORDID REALITY SHOWS.

SHOULDN'T HE BE ADMIRED AND PRAISED FOR THAT?? OR DOES YOUR OWN PERSONAL BIGOTRY AGAINST HIM AND OTHERS LIKE HIM PREVENT YOU FROM EVEN GRANTING HIM THIS SMALL COMPLIMENT?

THE WORLD DOESN'T NEED ANOTHER FORMER TEEN IDOL SUICIDE LIKE POOR JONATHAN BRANDIS, DO WE???

For MICHELLE and other prejudiced individuals,
Here is something to mull over:
SCOTT BAIO's critical praises and raves for "THE BREAD, MY SWEET".

"Scott Baio is fantastic in one of his first major film roles." (POPKORN JUNKIES)

"Baio's At His Best In 'Bread' .... Scott Baio simply shines as Dominic." (MICHAEL O'SULLIVAN, THE WASHINGTON POST)

"Scott Baio gives a surprisingly deep and convincing performance." (ERIC MENDER, FILM JOURNAL)

"Scott Baio who plays a part-time baker and full-time corporate bigwig, is quite good. He exudes a naturalism, a compelling conviction that gives depth and meaning to the lines he delivers." (BOB LONGINO, ATLANTA JOURNAL-CONSTITUTION)

"Scott Baio, best-known as Chachi from TV's 'Happy Days' is wonderful as Dominic, the bakery owner who's stretched dangerously thin with a corporate day job....Overall, 'The Bread, My Sweet' rises to the occasion and warms the heart while whetting the appetite. Moreover, it reminds us that Baio, who was terrific in 'Bugsy Malone' and 'Foxes' before being helplessly typecast by 'Happy Days' belongs on the big screen. In his scenes with Kristen Minter and especially Rosemary Prinz's immigrant mother, he exhibits a rugged charm that so far has eluded the likes of Tom Cruise and Ben Affleck."
(GLENN LOVELL, THE SAN JOSE MERCURY NEWS)

"The real surprise here, of course, is Scott Baio. Forget (if you can) his sitcom past and enjoy a deep rich performance here. Baio perfectly captures the anguish and anxieties of a man being pulled in multiple directions and by different expectations. Whether living the role of a Fortune 500 asshole or speaking with serene understanding among his problematic brothers, Baio invests the role with an emotional versatility that has never been seen in any of his previous performances. In small moments when his parallel worlds overlap, such as a boardroom meeting where he places a handful of macadamia nuts on a table and comments on their effectiveness in baking, Scott Baio comes alive with a subtle depth that clearly states what a truly fine actor he is." (PHIL HALL, FILM THREAT)

NEXT TIME, PLEASE THINK CAREFULLY BEFORE SAYING UNFAIR, UNJUST AND UNKIND REMARKS ABOUT SCOTT BAIO.
HE DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE HURT IN THAT CRUEL WAY.
DIDN'T THE SUICIDE OF JONATHAN BRANDIS TEACH YOU ANYTHING AT ALL??

I actually found Neil Strauss's article to be quite informative - I did some research into the names that were mentioned and there's a sub-culture that has been developing for some time now.

It seems that indeed most of these seminars teach men how to communicate with women in a way that's attractive and seductive. - Nothing wrong with that. After all, what women wouldn't want a man that could make her feel the kind of things she's always wanted to feel with a man.

They also teach charisma enhancement and seem to have taken techniques from Psychology, Persuasion, Linguistics, as well as street "pick up" experience.

These are sites that I found:
www.mysterymethod.com
www.social-mastery.com
www.realsocialdynamics.com

I'd actually commend Neil Strauss for his courage in actually doing "deep journalism". He is - a guy after all... and if there was anything to it, what guy wouldn't want to improve his interaction skills and communication skills with women?

To me, this article is really about a man was open minded enough to see if there really was anything to this sub-culture and if indeed he could improve his interaction skills with women.

An update: Neil Strauss will be releasing "The Game" in January 2005, which covers the same topic as the article in great depth.

I notice the typical reactions from men: they put down the guys who get laid by the women they think are "angels." Sure, it sounds great for the "nice guy" to take the higher ground and talk about how things should work, but how things do work is relevant.

What seems to happen once men are exposed to these websites is the same process:

1. They see the material and say "women are NOT like this."

2. They set out to prove their theory by pushing the envelope with the women they know.

3. They then see overwhelming evidence that the websites are right and convert, usually after they've had false hopes dashed by one of their "angels."

How interesting that the poster above me lists only three websites from the "seduction community." Let me list my collection, which runs over 30 (mine is http://www.cybersheet.com/library.html)

http://www.acmelove.com (AcmeLove)
http://www.advancedmacking.com (Advanced Macking)
http://www.akdatingcoach.com (Alaskan Dating Coach)
http://www.alphamaleworld.com (Alpha Male World)
http://www.askapril.com (Playboy Playmate April Mansini)*
http://www.askmen.com (AskMen)
http://www.auseduction.com (Australian Seduction)
http://www.becomeaplayer.com (Become A Player)
http://www.bestpickuplines.com (Best Pickup Lines)
http://www.cybersheet.com/easy.html (Seduction Made Easy)
http://www.date-strippers.com (Date A Stunning Stripper)
http://dating.reenhanced.com (Schematic/Harmless Seminars)
http://www.datingdynamics.com (Dating Dynamics)
http://www.dating-insider.com (The Dating Insider)
http://www.dating-manual.com (Reviews Of Other Products)
http://www.datingclass.com (Dating Class)
http://www.datingfast.com (Creative Dating Tips)
http://www.datingfire.com (Datingfire Advice Site)
http://www.daveriker.com (David Riker's Site)
http://www.davidshade.com (David Shade's Manual)
http://www.doclove.com (Doc Love)
http://www.doubleagent.com (Double Agent)*
http://www.doubleyourdating.com (DYD)
http://www.dynamicsexlife.com (Gunwitch Method II)
http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/players/ (Elite Player's Guide)
http://www.expertdatingadvice.com (Expert Dating Advice)
http://www.expertloveadvice.com (Expert Love Advice)
http://www.fastseduction.com (Fast Seduction 101)
http://www.find-your-dreamgirl.com (Guaranteed Success With Women)
http://www.flirtcoach.com (Flirting Academy)*
http://www.getgirls.com (Don Diebel)
http://www.guygetsgirl.com (Guy Gets Girl)*
http://www.highstatusmale.com (High Status Male)
http://www.howtogetgirls.com (How To Get Girls)
http://www.howtosucceedwithwomen.com (Louis & Copeland)
http://www.hypnotic-seduction.com (Hypnotic Seduction)
http://www.hypnotizeyourlover.com (Hypnotize Your Lover)
http://www.ladymagnet.com (Lady Magnet)
http://www.layguide.com (Layguide)
http://www.maximumknowledge.com (Maximum Seduction)
http://www.mensplayground.com (Men's Playground)
http://www.mysterymethod.com (Mystery Method)
http://www.newsex.com (New Sex)
http://www.niceguydating.com (Dating For Nice Guys)
http://www.nomarriage.com (Why Men Shouldn't Marry)
http://www.pickupguide.com (Pickup Guide)
http://www.pickupmagic.com (Dating Beautiful Women Made Easy)
http://www.playboylifestyle.net (Badboy's Workshops/Forum)
http://www.playeru.com (Player University)
http://www.realsocialdynamics.com (Papa/Tyler Seminars)
http://www.realworldseduction.com (Swinggcat's e-book)
http://www.seducingwomen101.com (Destini9's Site).*
http://seduction.esmartguy.com
http://www.seduction.com (Speed Seduction)**
http://www.seductionarts.com (Juggler's Site)
http://www.seductiondigest.com (Seduction Digest)
http://www.seductionformula.com (Seduction Formula)
http://www.seductioninsider.com (Seduction Insider)
http://www.seductionlair.com (Thundercat's Premium Site)
http://www.seductionmethod.com (Seduction Method)
http://www.seductionpro.com (Seduction Pro Portal/Reviews)
http://www.seductionscience.com (Seduction Science)
http://www.seductionsecret.com (Seduction Secrets)
http://www.sevenmagicwords.com (Seven Magic Words)
http://www.singlescafe.com (Singles Cafe)
http://www.social-mastery.com (In10se's Website).
http://www.steelballsradio.com (R. Don Steele)
http://www.stripclubdj101.com (Become A Strip Club DJ)
http://www.sosuave.com (The Don Juan Center)
http://www.thedatingwizard.com (The Dating Wizard)
http://www.thejamesmethod.com (The James Method)
http://www.theseductionfiles.com (The Seduction Files)
http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com (Thundercat's Page)
http://v4.livegate.net/sciencelaid/index.html (Science Of Getting Laid)
http://www.wantagirl.com (Want A Girl?)
http://www.wingwomen.com (Wingwomen For Hire)