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how many idiots can dance on the head of state?

Thanks to Andy for this link to the Trafalgar Square webcam. Now we can see for ourselves how small those "massive" Free Palestine anti-Bush protest crowds really are. 100,000? Don't think so.

Of course, the real action is taking place elsewhere. Here, the Brits welcomed Bush with a large vat of Kool Aid. Drink up, everyone!

After the Kool Aid, the were kind enough to offer Bush some coffee. They even presented him with a personalized cup. How sweet.

Then there was the arts and crafts portion of the day, where people defaced public property with chalk. Man, they broke out the chalk, get the hell out of there, Bush!

Hey, is that Kurt Cobain?

There were group hugs for everyone!

Ah yes. So while Bush and Blair are trying to fight terrorism, these dictator loving people are protesting that effort. Meanwhile, in Istanbul, the very terrorists we are trying to fight strike again.

But, hey - let's just get out of Iraq, leave it open to become a place for terrorists to gather, plot and plan, and then we can have even more bombings world wide!

Idiots.

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Well, I'd rather they deface things with chalk than, say, bricks or vomit like our very own protesters have a habit of doing. Apparently the Brits save their violence for watching soccer games.

On behalf of idiots everywhere, I resent you lumping those salad tossing British asshelmets into the same category with us.

This is the first time I have found that your posts have been disappointingly inaccurate. These protests are little to do with Palestine and much much more to do with protesting the actions of the American Government.

I too condemn the attacks on Istanbul, but this has been the anticipated reaction post-Iraq.

Trafalgar Square is the culmination of the protest march not the only place.
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/

Please take a moment to step outside the amero-centric news reporting and find out what the prostests are really about.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3223780.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3284991.stm

btw it's costing the UK taxpayers £5million pounds to host President Bush's visit. That's £5 million we can't now spend on education, healthcare or anywhere else it would be more useful.

Guess I'll be needing to post the photos from the protests of the enormous FREE PALESTINE banners, then.

And looking at the cam right now, and having been in Trafalgar Square (which is full on the cam at 10:29 AM CST), I can say that 100,000 might be only a slight overestimate. That square is packed!

And hey, what's wrong with "Free Palestine" banners at an anti-coup rally? After all, the Coup's been bending over backwards to support the Israeli military occupation of Palestine, instead of actually trying to do something to settle the issue. It owuld be one thing if they'd washed their hands of either band of nitwits, but to support one band of terrorists over another is pretty unconscienable.

I often wonder, without liberal protests, just where the arts of giant puppetry and stilt-walking would be today.

A couple points: I'm looking at the trafalgar pics too. I have no idea how may people it takes to fill trafalgar, but if you look you will see a LOT of police as well.
On the military occupation of Palestine (snerk) do you mean the section of the Palestinian state of JORDAN that was occupied after the arabs attacked Israel, or do you mean what Arafish and friends call "palestine' which goes from the river to the sea?

... the very terrorists we are trying to fight strike again.

The very terrorists we've been trying to fight for two years.

Tell me again what a great job Bush is doing in this fight.

(And that "flypaper" idea doesn't seem to be working out, either.)

But, hey - let's just get out of Iraq, leave it open to become a place for terrorists to gather, plot and plan, ....

Well, it wasn't that kind of place before we came along, so whose fault would it be if it turned into one...?

Joseph: "Supporting one group of terrorists over another". Explain to me the terrorist attacks committed by Israelis against the peace loving Arabs. Do you mean the blowing up of the pizza parlor? Oops that was done against jewish civilians. Oh i know, you mean the attacks on numerous buses? Nope, no that was against the "other" terrorists in the region, the jews. Oh i know -- the attack on their religious services. Geez no that was a Sedar service and i guess that means it was, again, Jews who were attacked. I'm kind of flummoxed here Joe, a little help? Thank you.

Thlayli you are 100% correct. Well before that damn cowboy Bush ran roughshod over Iraq it was a lovely peaceful place. In fact, if my reading of the situation is correct all of the various terrorist groups that had been insisting on Sharia law for the world had been on the cusp of disbanding and becoming Methodists. Then Bush did his war thing, and thus we are now reaping the horror of what he sowed. Damn him! It's not the murdering terrorists at fault no, it is that damn Bush. If we can only defeat him in 04 no doubt terrorism will end the very next day after he leaves office.

Where i live my sky is generally blue - what color is it on the planet that you live on?

Flypaper not working? Really?

Haven't seen any attacks in the US lately...seen quite a few in countries that have sizable populations that support the terrorists though. Looks like, being unable to hit us they're attacking themselves. And that's just fine.

Think Al Qaeda's got a lot of Turks supporting them right now?

The thing I find amusing is the whole "It's costing 5 million pounds!" argument, as if Bush just woke up one day and decreed, "Today Britain must host my entourage and damn the cost! Moo-ha-ha!"

Hi kiddies--it was an invitation from one head of state to another. We shell out the big bucks over here when your bigwigs drop by. We like to call it hospitality. And let's get real. 5 million? Drop in the bucket. Also, do you think you might have been able to spend signifigantly less than that if you hadn't had to mobilize your entire police force to protect Bush from a bunch of fountain-dyeing pretzel-waving stilt-walking looney tunes?

I guess you do have a point about education, though. You could sure use some.

Sasoozie, don't you even have a clue as to WHY all that security is needed?? It sure aint to protect him from us.
Why don't you gather up all those "peace" protesters and have them spend all their sign making workshop time on a part time job to pay for all those services you believe the money would be better spent on. What a positive collective effort THAT could be...

Hen,

Certainly. That would be the military, with the full suport of the Sharon theocracy, engaged in terrorist attacks againts Palestinians, such as bulldozing their homes, detaining them on little or no proof, building a wall separating the country in two, torturing suspects with genital electro-shocks and beatings, suspects dying in custody and being covered up as suicides, and so on and so forth. The appalling human rights record of the Israeli military and secret police is well documented, such as in Thomas Friendman's "From Beirut To Jerusalem," or on the Amnesty International web site.

Thanks Joseph - Just to make sure i understand you: You are saying that Arabs blowing up a pizza parlor filled with kids is the equivalent of bulldozing the empty homes of terrorists or terrorist supporters, and Arabs blowing up buses filled with jewish civilains is the same as detaining arabs with little or no proof, and Arabs blowing up a Sedar service killing civilians is the same as building a fence to keep the terrorists from entering Israel..

I just want to make sure that we're on the same page here.

Thanks again.

Joseph - If a Palestinian state is established, their constitution may have many elements of shariah law – under which the penalty for losing your religion is death, along with the traditional hand-chopping and stoning for various minor crimes and infidelities. This Palestinian state would be ruled by the same kleptocrats and dictators who run the PA. These kleptocrats and thugs aren’t fighting to end oppression, they’re fighting to establish it, in ‘Palestine’ and Israel.

So how, under any definition, would this be a ‘Free Palestine’? And why is this pro-Intifada attitude considered to be anti-war?

Israel offerred the "Palestinians" nearly everything they wanted, THEN the "Palestinians" started their latest murder spree.

Even with military occupation, the "Palestinians" have been treated better by Israel than by any of their Arab brethren.

Mary,

The majority of Palestinians are Christians & Jews, refugees from the 1948 fleeing of Israel (the Christians & Muslims) and surrounding countries persecution (the Jews). Bringing up Shariah, which is not even practiced by the branch of Islam that Palestine is home to, is a non-issue.

As for a "pro-Intifada" movement, I think you're confusing the issue - we simply want a free Palestine out from Israeli occupation, not the murder of Israelis. Stop trying to confuse the issue, please.

Hen,

You're making an assumption, or taking at face value Israeli assertions that every Palestinian is either a terrorist or a supporter of them.So obviously to decry the torture and homelessness of innocients woudl be silly, since they're all just terrorists. C'mon - theres plenty of blame to go arround to both Israeli and Palestinian terrorists without making odd assumptions like that.

Mary,

The majority of Palestinians are Christians & Jews, refugees from the 1948 fleeing of Israel (the Christians & Muslims) and surrounding countries persecution (the Jews). Bringing up Shariah, which is not even practiced by the branch of Islam that Palestine is home to, is a non-issue.

As for a "pro-Intifada" movement, I think you're confusing the issue - we simply want a free Palestine out from Israeli occupation, not the murder of Israelis. Stop trying to confuse the issue, please.

Hen,

You're making an assumption, or taking at face value Israeli assertions that every Palestinian is either a terrorist or a supporter of them.So obviously to decry the torture and homelessness of innocients woudl be silly, since they're all just terrorists. C'mon - theres plenty of blame to go arround to both Israeli and Palestinian terrorists without making odd assumptions like that.

Shoot - sorry about the double post, Michele.

Joseph – The majority of Palestinians are Christians and Jews?? Can you give a credible source for that information? What brand of Islam is practiced by the Palestinians? Sufism, Salafism, Wahhabism, Dufyism ..?

According to Mahmoud Abbas, Islam was the official religion of the state, but not of the constitution. The Constitution would be built on the principles of Sharia law.

He also stated the principles of Sharia are the same as those of Christianity and Judaism. Anyone familiar with countries that live under Sharia law knows that's hardly the case.

Here’s the link to the constitution.

It says:
Article (4)

1. Islam is the official religion in Palestine. Respect and sanctity of all other heavenly religions shall be maintained.

2. The principles of Islamic Shari'a shall be the main source of legislation.

3. Arabic shall be the official language.

Yes, there are elections. There were elections under Saddam Hussein, too.

I don’t have to link to the information about Arafat’s kleptocracy, because we all know that’s a fact. And the Palestinians plan to ‘free’ themselves through the Intifada. That’s also a fact, unless there have been some peace protests there that I haven’t heard about. Any links to a massive pink tank and puppet parade in Gaza?

Oops. try again. Here's the link

Joseph - you have told me very clearly who and what you are and i no longer have any desire to debate your kind.

Mary,

You're quoting from a proposed Palestinian Constitution, one of many, and hardly a front-runner. As Palestine is still under military occupation, they've hardly had the chance to have a constitutional convention - they're too busy trying to keep settlers from moving into their lands.

And they're Sunni Muslims, for the most part.

"...we simply want a free Palestine out from Israeli occupation, not the murder of Israelis."

Hence the routine suicide bombings of their buses and cafes, eh Joseph?

Joseph - Like the Saudis, Palestinians are Sunni muslims. Maybe that's why the Saudis give the militant Islamist group Hamas 50% of their financing - remember Hamas, the group that has vowed to drive the Israelis into the sea?

Tell us about how the majority of these peace-loving, poor oppressed Palestinians are Christians and - Jews. You're just full of trustworthy information ..

Most Israelis agree that there should be a Palestinian state, but don't a majority of Palestinians still believe that the state of Israel should be destroyed?

A majority of Palestinians support the use of suicide bombings. Since the goal of the terrorists is to destroy Israel, that probably means the majority supports it. I don't know if anyone has asked that question in a poll..?

There is no way I would lower myself to debate Joe. That would be like giving Michael Moore a kiss on the mouth. With tongue.

but..Joe is totally wrong. And he's making stuff up. It's hard to resist.

still, that Michael Moore image will be with me for days...yuck..

Mary: many times. And the answer is the obvious one. The only possible mitigating factor is the fact that saying you don't hate Jews will get you killed in Arafat's little terror state.

But unfortunately all evidence verifies that the polls are accurate.

What bothers me is the fact that so few of our people can recognize genocidal hatred when they see it. I think our educational system must have tried too hard to hide the grimness of history (or even current events) from our kids. We grow prepared for a lifetime of complete denial and victim-blaming.

For it not being about Palestine, there were a hell of a lot of banners and posters about it. But then why not, the protestors were doing their best to support and succor all Islamokazi terrorists they could. What is most amusing/sickening is that some of them were pissed off the Turkisk bombing knocked them off being the top story.

Of course, now the arsehats, like Polly, are going around saying the Istambul bombings are the fault of Bush and Blair.

I have to tell you that a lot of the "soft" support of the protestors is falling away. You do know that a moment of silence that was proposed for the dead in Istanbul was ixned by the organisers. How caring & sharing.

Hey, Joseph J. Finn, we're all waiting for some corroboration to back up your claim that most Palestinians are Christians and Jews.

And where's one of those other constitutions--you know, the ones you say have a much better chance of getting enacted?

Mary gave us a link. Can you?