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The Catholic Church is telling people in countries stricken by Aids not to use condoms because they have tiny holes in them through which the HIV virus can pass - potentially exposing thousands of people to risk.

The church is making the claims across four continents despite a widespread scientific consensus that condoms are impermeable to the HIV virus.

In other news, the Pope is the frontrunner to win the Nobel Peace Prize. Because protesting the war negates all that nasty stuff about protecting child molesters and hating gays.

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i don't understand how they can justify that view to themselves. hundreds of people are infected and die every day due to aids in africa, and here they sit preaching against the use of contraceptives and condoms instead of educating and helping nations that are quickly dying out.

Hating gays? I don't think so.

it's stuff like this that reminds me why i don't go to church anymore. i prefer living my life somewhat grounded in reality.

An ex-catholic friend of mine used to sing a little ditty that began "Every sperm is sacred" whenever someone would mention the church's unreasonable stance on birth control. There is no other way to explain it, or understand it.
BTW, Troll King, you may not think the church hates gays, but if you look closer, they don't really like anyone who isn't catholic. We are all going to hell, according to church doctrine, look it up. If that isn't at the very least dislike....

well kat, isn't that pretty much all religions? i'm not saying ALL of them are, but the base premise amongst them is "you're either with us or going to hell" how would make people follow your antiquated rules otherwise? maybe i'm flying a tad off the handle maybe not you be the judge.

I'm Catholic. And I am like most Catholics:

1. I drink. Sometimes, I drink too much.
2. Church? Only on the occasional Easter or Christmas, every third odd year in an even yeared decade.
3. I swear. Way too much.
4. The Pope isn't as much my moral barometer as he is some Polish guy wearing a funny hat who needs to retire.
5. I drink.
6. I love gay people. Will and Grace is my favorite show.

Before we start lambasting (is that even a word?) Catholics in the U.S., you must remember that the Catholic Church as a whole has a complete love/hate relationship with American Catholics. We are the most liberal Catholics in the world and we give the most amount of money.

And, I know what you are thinking. It is still pretty much a joke.

You're probably right.

Yeah, well, the Nobel Prize... we're talking about the people who gave Jimmy Carter an award.

Yeah.

BTW, Troll King, you may not think the church hates gays, but if you look closer, they don't really like anyone who isn't catholic. We are all going to hell, according to church doctrine, look it up. If that isn't at the very least dislike....

Um ... respectfully, you got it backward. The church helps lead people to the salvation of Christ. It's God with whom you have the problem. Nowhere does the church say, bwahahahaha the gays are gonna burn in hell. It teaches what Jesus taught, that all men are lost and will burn in hell (that is, experience eternal separation from the love of God) unless they repent and turn to God for forgiveness. That includes gays who repent, as well as heteros who repent, and anyone else who repents.

Catholic teaching, in particular, is rather expansive on the idea of salvation and hints, more than a little, that anyone who is properly humble, penitent and loving may experience salvation regardless of religious affiliation -- it's called something like the baptism of desire. Church teaching even hints at universal salvation in places.

And nowhere does the Church teach anything but "love thy neighbor." Nowhere. It doesn't teach "hate the gays" or hate anyone.

See? It's all a big misunderstanding. Off to confession with you. Regards. TK

And, as Best of the Web frequently points out, Arafat won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1994.

I'm with Troll King here -- I'm a devout Catholic and more than a little familiar with the Catechism. The Church makes no proclamation about non-Christians or even non-Catholics going to Hell. We don't know the limit of God's grace.

As for homosexual sex, I will admit that the Church treats them differently from other fornicators (pre-marital sex) or adulterers (extra-marital sex... or getting divorced and marrying someone else), because, to put it shortly, at least the straight people were "on the right track". I don't agree. =Because= marriage is an option for heterosexuals, sex outside of marriage should be a worse sin for heteros than homosexuals, who have no such recourse in the Church. But I don't really feel like getting in that theological debate.

Getting back to the condom issue, I find it terribly embarrassing when the Church jumps all over dubious scientific claims (or any group I agree or disagree with for that matter) to prove their point. It's like the people who tried to play up a weak link between breast cancer and abortion (which has not shown up in many other studies). If you have a moral point, make that point. If you base your argument on half-assed or totally fraudulent studies, then the moment your "facts" are disproven, you no longer have an argument. A moral argument can last much longer than a "scientific" one.

In any case, the Church would be better to try an anti-condom campaign in the West, where the use is rampant (my goodness!) and the health care for STDs is at least good. Why pick on Africa? Why condemn women married to unfaithful men to AIDS and other STDs? There are so many lies about HIV and AIDS swimming around Africa (I want to stick dynamite up the ass of whoever thought up the idea that sex with a virgin -- say, female babies -- would cure one of AIDS) that the Church should stop piling on. And they would do well to keep the priests in Africa from raping nuns (I remember that was the biggest scandal in the Church before the U.S. pedophile stories erupted again. But few people in the U.S. paid attention to that story) -- clean your own house, and lead by example, not by proscriptions you own people don't even follow.

it's marketing not faith that guides them. their numbers grow most in developing nations with high birth rates. keeps them fat and rich and powerful.

i left the church.

policy and behavior like this ensures that i won't be returning soon.

and i'm not fearing my soul with my decision. i'm fearing theirs.

Its depressing when people blame God or the church (any church) for things that people do and say. And what is the church made of but people? I'm Catholic too, but I reserve the right to question things that people do or say.

Old men who can't get laid are not the best source of information about birth control. Especially when they look like the Crypt Keeper in drag.

Worship me instead!

I do, Steve!

Condoms don't remove the risk of HIV. They only REDUCE the risk. In that sense, the church is correct.

Condoms are only successful in preventing pregnancy 90% of the time. That means ONE in TEN failure rate.

There is no reason to think that condoms are any better (or worse) at preventing the spread of HIV.

The great big lie is that using a condom means it is "safe" sex. It isn't.

I wish they hadn't said not to use them at all, and told the truth, "well it's sort of safer from a health stand point." But that would be contrary to their basic message, which is, sex outside of wedlock is wrong. PERIOD. A better message would have been, "It might be safer for your health, but not for your spiritual health," or something like that.

It does not matter if the sex outside of marriage is gay or straight. The Catholic Church is pretty consistant in that regard: Not married? No Sex.

Just want to point out that the statements were part of a BBC documentary on how "Pope John Paul II came to be accused of ruining thousands of lives." Those are the BBC's words, not mine. I think that speaks to motive.

Yes condoms reduce the risk of pregnancy & STD's by 90%. I'd take a 10% risk over a 100% risk any day.

I could give a shit less if the church doesn't believe in birth control. Telling people who are dying by the thousands that condoms will kill you is WRONG by any moral standard.

Maybe the church should remember the number of orphans in Africa who are dying of AIDS (after watching their parents, brothers, sisters, etc. die) the next time they start lecturing about capital punishment and abortion.

BTW, the idea that people (even married people) shouldn't use birth control comes from Medieval Times. More parishioners meant more money & more power for the church. It had nothing to do with religion.

And yes, until yesterday, I'd say I was a Catholic. Today I'm just embarassed.

If people listened to the church in the first place, there wouldn't be an Aids crisis. If you knew that someone had Aids, would you have sex with them, even with a condom? I doubt it.