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I found this on, where else, Indymedia and it almost left me speechless. The site this orginally appeared on is blocked here at work, I'll have to try it at home.

Here is the Indymedia blurb:

Annoy.com’s Clinton Fein uses striking imagery and a perversion of T.S. Eliot’s Christianity-focused poem, Journey of the Magi, to highlight America’s descent into despair and ascent into fascism from the ashes and memory of a September morning.

This is the end of the poem:

We patriotically ascend from the flames of our complacency, this Complacency
But no longer free here, in the new Justification
With a deluded people clutching their sentimentality
Why do I grieve Phoenix’s Rise?

The "Phoenix" he refers to is obviously the World Trade Center. And that striking image? You'll find it below. I didn't want it on the front of this site and the only reason I downloaded it and put it up here is because it will probably disappear from Indymedia soon so the moderators can claim that they never post anything offensive.

I don't even have any response to it. I have just made it my duty to expose these bastards at every turn.



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And then I get criticized sometimes for bashing liberals and leftists.

Hey now -- not all liberals and leftists are actually, legally retarded.

That fucking illustration just totally defiles the memory of every single life lost on that awful day. Ignorant assholes like that artist simply can't conjure a coherent justification for their blind hatred of America, so they resort to ridiculous imagery and symbolism like that. I hope that artist gets hit by a bus, preferably one driven by Sandra Bullock.

I wanted to break down and cry when I saw that.

How dare they?


Be thankful that your work blocked that site.

That is the most offensive thing I've ever seen.

Where can I find the things that would do this?

It never ceases to amaze me how much time and energy people can spend on being hateful and evil.
Stunning... shaking head

Jedi is right. I wish my work had blocked that site.

It's funny, given what anti-Semites the Indymedia crowd are, you'd think they'd see becoming Nazis as a good thing.

Or it could be that they're simply apeshit crazy.

I made sure to link to this Michele. Good job you are exposing those bastards for what they are...

Another sick example of what the intellectual goon squad of the left hath wrought...... lemme get this straight- a fucked up rich boy with attention issues from Saudi Arabia decides to bring down the WTC, and in the process kills three thousand people. The ripple effect of this was to screw up thousands more families and orphan who knows how many children. Down the list but still relevant is the fact this punk bitch act drained a couple hundred billion from our economy (I've seen everywhere from 400 bil to 1 tril) thereby causing a moribund economy and further misery upon countless people thousands of miles if not continents away- i.e. the very "oppressed" and "unfortunate" these elitist liberal pigfuckers claim to care about.

And yet some dumbass thinks it is cute and "controversial" to depict the WTC as a swastika? What a stupid self loathing turd..... if that's all the left can squeeze out of its bloated pampered arse, it's no surprise they are on the wane. From the viewpoint of "shock value", this pap isn't even clever, but tired, banal, predictable, and shrill- much like the standard leftist dogma polluting the air most everywhere one goes.

Sad, sad, sad.

Leftists of this ilk really love swastikas. They must dream of them all night and doodle them in their notebooks all day. I think being an extreme leftist (or just a regular leftist for that matter) means having no concept of history ("Thats His Story, Man"). How else does Stalin and Fidel get a free pass but Bush=Hitler=Sharon=Elder Scrolls of Morrowind.

I was eating my lunch. Sick.

I'd say "thank you", because it is important that such things be properly riducled, but I have to go throw up now.

That picture is repulsive, and the thought behind it is stupid. Proof that some people would rather feel self-righteous than think for a second. It's entirely possible to say that 9-11 has been invoked by the current administration for purposes we disagree with, without mislabeling them Nazis and without desecrating hallowed ground. I've criticized the war myself. But I wouldn't want to sit next to the person who made this. Not at a protest, not at a teach-in, not on the subway. Dissent is respectable. This is not dissent.

Interesting that the fool says "ascent" into fascism, meaning a climb, rather than "descent", meaning a drop. Probably just stupid illiteracy popping up, but who knows with IndyMedia? Could he mean that being fascist is actually better than what we have now?


Thanks. Next time a liberal friend [and I do still have a few] asks me why I can't mention Indymedia without a sneer, I have something to link them to.

oh, the folks killed it the WTC were all Nazis! I feel so much better

Oh. My. God.

The first thing that came to my mind after the wave of sadness and nausea passed was the fact that many of these people are the same ones who look down their noses at ME when I say I'm conservative. They no longer have that right, and I will make sure every liberal I know understands this.

I am a reporter and see horrible things everyday. This is the worst thing I've EVER seen!

On Indymedia I asked if someone could explain how in the world they could justify "Bush=Hitler" comments. From the responses it was clear that these people just had absolutely no clue about Hitler or Nazi Germany. They really don't GET IT. Of all the comments I saw about Bush, even accepting them at face value, they were NOTHING compared to what Hitler had done. At MOST, they were "this trend might lead to . . ." items. "Hitler" and "Nazi" simply does not have the emotional impact on them that you would expect. After all, that was 50 years ago (as one said). Invincibly ignorant . . .

Please explain to me again why it is considered wrong to cleanse the gene pool of these bastards.

This is a political Rohrshach test: If your first impulse is to raise your fist and shout "Right on!", you're a leftist. If your first reaction is to raise your fist to the jaw of the asshat who made it, you're a mossback.

I'm a mossback...about a dozen times over.

Disgusting!!!Does anyone know how many hits indymedia gets? Whatever it is, you have to figure 50% of them are right thinking bloggers looking for "fisking" material.

The other day i was reading Lt. Smash's(now Lt. Commander-congrats!) entry about his homecoming.(sorry I dont know how to link, but Im sure most of you have read it), and I was thinking how 50 anti-american nut jobs arent worth one Lt. Smash, and as I read the pages and pages of comments welcoming him home, comments written by people he had never met, wishing him well and welcoming him home, I thought ..THis is my IS America. Full of hopeful, best intentioned people.. So let these handwringing nutjobs stew in their miserable lives...there are some joys they will never know...like having thousands of people you will never meet weep at your safe homecoming.

that is simply horrible.

off topic, michele, but 'american experience' on pbs next monday night (at least here in okla.) is focusing on the wtc and their place as 'the center of the world'. it looks like a good tribute.

I think you guys are getting carried away. Isn't this what free speech is all about?

Yeah, Leanne baby. And we're free-speechin' about how we despise this crap. It's called having an "opinion." We also recognize evil when it reveals itself. That's what having a brain is all about. You may want to have one installed.

I'm not offended, but I don't quite get it, either. Are they saying that the WTC was an instrument of capitalist tyranny, oppression of the proletariat, materialism, etc.? That I understand, even if I don't agree, at least it makes sense. Then again, they could be saying that Americans as a whole are like Nazis, evil people who deserve to die -- that would also make sense, and if that's the intended message, then yeah, it does kinda piss me off, then. Changing the shape of two buildings, though, in and of itself, that doesn't bother me.

Thank you Mat for not attacking someone just because they have a different opinion. I happen to be using my brain. I don't think that Michelle's original interpretation is right if you look at the whole poem, not just a paragraph out of context. Judge for yourself.

The Journey of the Phoenix

'A cold foreboding I had of it,
Just the worst taste of the year
For the desecration, and such a profound desecration:
The wounds fresh and the minders sharp,
The very end of summer.
And grief’s bitter, vanquished, vasectomy,
Smoldering in the unforgiving gape.
There were times I rejoiced
The panic of the mighty, the desperate,
And the heavenly virgins brandishing men’s vulnerability.
Then the oil men sobbing and frantic
And flying away, and wanting their fixes and crucifixes,
And the hell’s-fire blazing, and the lack of reason,
And the city inquisitional and the skies unfriendly
And the coffee franchises filthy and charging high prices:
A crude time we had of it.
At the end we preferred to trade in liberty,
Freedom in snatches,
With the evil screeching in our ears, saying
That this was all Godly.

Then at dusk we came upon a treacherous pit,
Shadowed by a fractured skyline, reeking of burnt flesh;
With a bloody stream and a toxic smoke disguising the darkness,
And four cardinal points on the sacred sky,
And a shiny black hearse raced away in the madness.
Then we came to a white house with spilled oil covering stained blood,
Corrupt hands behind bolted doors divining for politics and profit,
And mouths wording the empty promises,
But there was secret information, and so we demurred judgment
And arrived at hell, a day late and dollar short
Finding the place; it was (you may say) predictable

All this was a short time ago, I regret,
And we will do it again, but it rises up
This rises up
This: were we led all that way for
Oligarchy or Oil? There was a Tragedy, certainly,
We had trickery and truth. We have seen truth and treachery,
But had thought they were different; this Treachery was
Hard and bitter agony for us, like Truth, our truth,
We patriotically ascend from the flames of our complacency, this Complacency,
But no longer free here, in the new Justification,
With a deluded people clutching their sentimentality.
Why do I grieve Phoenix’s Rise?

Please explain to me again why it is considered wrong to cleanse the gene pool of these bastards.

Because we'd then become the monsters they want us to be.

Besides, they appear to be suffering so much from all the wailing, moaning and vile behavior they do. Why release them from that suffering? Let them stew.

"And the coffee franchises filthy and charging high prices: A crude time we had of it."

At last we see what the Left really wants:

Free coffee!

In the interest of fairness to the reputation of T S Eliot (currently spinning in his grave)here is the original poem - posted in the hope it will help to expunge the memory of that dire Indymedia pastiche:

The Journey of the Magi
"A cold coming we had of it,
Just the worst time of the year
For a journey, and such a long journey:
The was deep and the weather sharp,
The very dead of winter."
And the camels galled, sore-footed, refractory,
Lying down in the melting snow.
There were times we regretted
The summer palaces on slopes, the terraces,
And the silken girls bringing sherbet.
Then the camel men cursing and grumbling
And running away, and wanting their liquor and women,
And the night-fires gong out, and the lack of shelters,
And the cities hostile and the towns unfriendly
And the villages dirty, and charging high prices.:
A hard time we had of it.
At the end we preferred to travel all night,
Sleeping in snatches,
With the voices singing in our ears, saying
That this was all folly.
Then at dawn we came down to a temperate valley,
Wet, below the snow line, smelling of vegetation;
With a running stream and a water-mill beating the darkness,
And three trees on the low sky,
And an old white horse galloped away in the meadow.
Then we came to a tavern with vine-leaves over the lintel,
Six hands at an open door dicing for pieces of silver,
And feet kicking the empty wine-skins.
But there was no information, and so we continued
And arrived at evening, not a moment too soon
Finding the place; it was (you may say) satisfactory.
All this was a long time ago, I remember,
And I would do it again, but set down
This set down
This: were we lead all that way for
Birth or Death? There was a Birth, certainly,
We had evidence and no doubt. I have seen birth and death,
But had thought they were different; this Birth was
Hard and bitter agony for us, like Death, our death.
We returned to our places, these Kingdoms,
But no longer at ease here, in the old dispensation,
With an alien people clutching their gods.
I should be glad of another death.

i think looking in hindsight, you people deserved it, u were the ones who dropped an atomic bomb on hiroshima, killing way more people then the 9.11 attack, and you r the people who r still writing disgusting articles in iht, and nyt that the nuclear assault was justified, and millions of lives were saved as a result, u r the people who kill daily the innocent palestinians through your ugly perverted proxy in occupied palestine, the cartoon is telling, the new nazis are in us, the new ghettos are in palestine!

Notes the screed from "X"

Oh look. Another anonymous fool slimes in. Let us all respond in anger to fufill it's sick need for attention. Seethe. Rage.

(Okay, I've been up all night so this might explain my response.)


Like your blog.

The indymedia mindset also contaminates the mainstream. Check out this opinion piece in the UK Guardian (from a former British Labour Party cabinet member) :



"At last we see what the Left really wants:

Free coffee!"

What would that make the right? Compassionate?

On Sept. 11, after the horrific collapse of the World Trade Center, workers for the ambulance company rushed to get bottled water for patients.

They went to a Starbucks store near "Ground Zero" and got, well, let's allow the ambulance company to spill the beans:

"A great deal of people were in shock from the devastation," a representative of the family-owned ambulance company wrote in an e-mail to Starbucks. "Shock victims are supposed to drink a lot of water. When employees of Midwood Ambulance went to the Starbucks down the street to get bottles of water for the victims they were treating, can you believe Starbucks actually charged them for it!!!"

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I've had it with leftists mis-using symbols and depending on cliches to instill fear in people. These folks don't see their inconsistencies. Can all you bloggers start a campaign to define clearly what all the terms mean? You know, Facist, Socialist, Nazi, etc. For instance, does the left have any idea that their ideology is closer to Nazi's than they imagine? We really can't let them get away with this anymore. Arogant bastards. It's time we took control of the debate and the language of the debate away from these people and try to be reasonable about things rather than rabidly ideological like the leftists.

Looking at the image in context, it seems to be an attempt to equate the it's destruction of the WTC with the German Riechstag burning -- an irrational reaction to a genuinely horrifying and frightening event. It's a clumsy, counterproductive image. But even if it were the simple-minded hate-mongering that several people here so dearly want it to be, what does any particular thing posted to Indymedia have to do with a vaguely conglomerated entity called "The Left"?

Is it soothing to pretend that something called The Left is actually a single gibbering tribe of America-hating fools? Does it make Iraq cost less than a billion dollars a week? Does it leave fewer of our soldiers wounded and dead? Does it somehow make the given justifications for war suddenly true?

(Actually let me answer that last one -- seven out of ten Americans still think Saddam was personally responsible for 9/11 -- just one result of painting with a nice wide brush...)

And is this in any way still an interesting game to play? To find something beyond the pale on an open-posting site and use it as a Manichean slur against They who Disagree with Us? During the bombing in Iraq, Free Republic was lush with posts saying the Iraqis were all finally getting what they deserved for 9/11. Posts saying that the bombing would hopefully take out enough civilians to prove to the Middle East that we mean business because all those people understand is violence. But this game is tired, so I'll refrain from concluding that "The Right" are all bloodthirsty racists with a highly imaginative sense of history....

Suggesting that The Left is somehow equal with hate or anti-semitism or any of the individual posts on Indymedia or any other website seems equal to cowardice -- a fear of facing the criticisms of those who you disagree. This cowardice is not unique to any one ideology, but it's certainly raging on this post.

I don't think the image is an attempt to equate the destruction of the WTC with the German Riechstag burning. And I don't think Clinton Fein is a lefty from Indymedia either.

Quote: "Let's smell the Starbucks and realize that the stock prices of companies like Viacom, Microsoft, AOL Time Warner, News Corporation, General Electric, Disney, Vivendi, Alcoa and Halliburton are really the only thing anyone from the White House to the Treasury to the media touting this war cares about, not humanitarian values or the value of the information or programming that is designed to keep us ignorant and petrified while we cling to our flags in tears.

Such a violent and horrific attack not only showcases our vulnerability militarily, economically, politically and ideologically, but also robs of us of our families, friends and loved ones and very joy of living.

In spite of blunderbuss rhetoric and toxic media fallout, this tragedy has resulted in people coming together and reaching out to one another in ways no one ever could have imagined. A new, more informed dialogue has begun.

The greatest honor we can bestow on the people who died so tragically on September 11, 2001, is to simply wake up and pay attention."

The Second Coming: The Age of Bin Laden
Clinton Fein
September 15, 2001

leanne, you're right that Clinton Fein has nothing to do with indymedia -- which makes the insults towards "them" all the more silly.

But he says himself that it was an attempt to equate 9/11 with pre-war Germany. It was a poor attempt, partially because using Nazi symbols these days carries all political nuance of scream in the ear. But mainly because the attempted point of the image gets so lost behind the shock, it end up as little more than a convenient target for righteous jingoist fury.

A skillful image would have made some self-described patriots unclinch for a second and remember that tragedy actually has been used in the past to work up a bloodthirst and distract nations from the real motives of their wars. This image operates as little more than raw meat, an excuse for another hearty round of "I'll kill the guy!" And proving a point about jingoist hate by simply cattle-prodding it helps nothing but the artist's ego.

As they say on usenet: "Godwin".

Looks like Clinton Fein is creating more trouble.