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bush=hitler: the theorem

I found this over at Oliver Willis, in the comments on his post about my post about John's post about The Worst Figures in American History. Got that?

Greg: I would never equate GW Bush with Hitler.

Hitler was a decorated combat veteran.

Hitler could string three sentences together.

Hitler became one of the most powerful men on earth without a rich and connected daddy greasing his way through life.

There's no comparison.

Posted by Thlayli at August 5, 2003

If you recall, Thlayli was the commenter who was summarily dismissed from this blog by Andrea the other day.

Anyhow, I'm too tired to do anything with his comment. I just wanted everyone to see it and marvel at its unmistakable proof.

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Hitler was a vegetarian. Meat is nutritious and Hitler's meatless diet caused him to invade Russia in winter.

Bush lives in cattle country, and gets all the red meat he needs. So, he will never invade Russia in winter. Bush wins.

Spring maybe.... ;)

Oh dear. And I was so mean to her. Now I feel just the teensiest, weensiest bit guilty for my harsh words.

Oh -- wait a minute, no I don't.

Well, it's unmistakable something, but I don't think "proof" is the word I'd use.

I wish I knew how to pronounce that moron's name, because such boundless idiocy is worthy of a limerick tribute by the imperial poet laureate.

Another difference between Bush and Hitler: Thlayli is willing to say positive things about Hitler.

That analogy doesn't hold up, since Hitler was obsessed with Jews, desiring their extermination and seizing their property. Perhaps there's another political figure extant who fits that description today (You get three guesses, but the first names have to be Yasir), but it ain't Bush.

And this: Hitler became one of the most powerful men on earth without a rich and connected daddy greasing his way through life. Sure, that also applied to Joseph Stalin and Mao, but they are also hardly role models.

I wonder what Clan of Trolls the name Thlayli derives from: The Ignoramus Clan, the Clueless Clan, the Thornish Clan, the Latchkey Clan, or the Lifeless Clan?

I love it when the moonbats toss the old "rich and connected daddy" thing at Bush. How funny that they don't acknowledge that just as many of their liberal icons come from rich and connected families, too. And by the way, wtf is wrong with being rich and connected? I personally aspire to be both.

Dave, you know what's even better? How they go on and on about how all the connected republican CEOs of corporations get all the government contracts.

Yeah.... And the similarly successful (insert appropriate business here - construction, defense contractor, etc.) that is run by a liberal democrat is..... ?

The right is pro-business because they own some. The left doesn't really have much of a vested interested, and therefore are indifferent to business. Why ? Because they don't own any. Makes sense, huh. Although, does Ted Turner count ? Nah.

And they say conservatives are stupid?

Dammit.

I know this guy. I like this guy (Thlayli, I mean)...he's been in my home many a time, and will probably be again.

However, we're NOT going to be discussing politics, because I could not disagree with him more. I could try, but I would not be successful.

No similarity between Bush and Hitler. After all, Hitler took power in a dubious "election", then led his country into an almost religious crusade against those who he had a pathological hatred of, and turned almost all other nations of the world against him.......

By the way Michele, the worst figures in American history list has now been sent out to 85 left of center bloggers. Look for the results Monday =)

To continue Ken's thought:
....then invaded both Central and Western Europe, began to deport Jews and Gypsies and gays to death camps, commenced with an unadvisable and brutal invasion of Russia, slaughtered millions in the gas chambers....

Ken, you're not NEARLY as funny or clever as you think, so why don't you run along and FUCK OFF!!!

No similarity between Bush and Hitler. After all, Hitler took power in a dubious "election"

So tell me, is it simply the fact your side lost the "election" that bothers you so much, or that they tried so hard to steal the "election" but failed? Would it be an "election" if you had won, or just an election?

and turned almost all other nations of the world against him......

And if almost all the other nations decided to jump off a cliff, would you do so too? You know, if your friends don't like you for who you are then they're not really your friends.

John: Please, for the love of God, give me the opportunity to contribute. Who else is going to put Michael Fucking Bolton at the top of the list?

Say what you want about Hitler, but he certainly was very self-directed. Others say "monomaniacal", but that's just a very negative and possibly fictitious term.

I now not only know the meaning of the term "evil laughter"...

I'm experiencing it. Heartily.

Tiger, it's the Idiotarian Clan. Looks like Ken is a member in good standing too.

Another funny thing, you want to see someone ready to do just about anything to stay in power no matter how much the citizens don't want him? Come to CA and see the farce called Gray Davis.

He was in Chicago yesterday, lining up the AFL-CIO goons who have "warned" any Demo not to run against Lowbeam and that they are "on their way" to CA to teach the citizens a lesson.

CA is now a one-party banana republic..and that's an insult to banana republics...

Bush has my admiration for doing the smart thing and staying out of CA. It's exposing the national Dems for what they really are...and points out yet again, the US Supreme Court was merely slapping down an out-of-line FL SC which was stepping on the purview of the FL legislature.

What vexes me is Oliver's comment:

The left will never be that crazy.

I've gotten in trouble for mocking Oliver before. Apparently, people take him seriously. But damn if I couldn't disprove that statement six times before you blink.

The wackiest elements of the right say Bill Clinton was one of "the worst Americans." The wackiest elements of the left says Bush is Hitler, who killed millions of people.

Yes. The left can be pretty f'ing crazy.

It's sad that anyone would take Oliver fricking Willis seriously.

It has nothing to do with being "left" or "right" winged. It has everything to do with not succumbing to your own vitriol, something Oliver is completely incapable of doing.

A brief note to Sean M., Ron and darleen. Find a dictionary. Look up the word "satire". Re-read it until you understand what it means.

And while you are perusing the dictionary Ron, maybe you can find something a little more intelligent to say than "Fuck Off".

Ken, who here did you think would appreciate your "satire", exactly ? I'm thinking it should be pretty clear that the targeted group here would include NO ONE that would get a little "chuckle" from your attempt at satire.

Hey Ken, FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING FUCK. That erudite enough for you?

"since Hitler was obsessed with Jews, desiring their extermination and seizing their property. Perhaps there's another political figure extant who fits that description today (You get three guesses, but the first names have to be Yasir), but it ain't Bush."

Well, if you replace "Jews," with "Muslims," I can think of a few people over at LittleGreenFootballs who that might describe.

'Replace "Jews" with "Muslims"'
...because, as we know, there's a great Muslim Conspiracy to blow up men, women and children in the name of their religion. Oh, wait, it's not a conspiracy, it's the stated and demonstrated aim of terrorist groups supported by Arab governments!

Yes, Virginia, moral equivalency is a slippery slope.

Hesiod, not only are you a fucking idiot, you actually manage to lower the intelligence of the bloggers who read your posts. The brain cells of people who have a clue perish in droves striving in vain to understand how you can believe the tripe you spout, yet manage to get your deluded cerebrum to keep your heart and lungs working. In a just and fair world, the
terrorist filth you sympathize with would be resposible for your demise, but it's unlikely blogdom will get that lucky.

Thlayli, whose name can't be spoken
Held logic that was fucked up and broken
He preferred Hitler to Bush
And can thus kiss my tush
What the hell has this person been tokin'?

I'm thinking it should be pretty clear that the targeted group here would include NO ONE that would get a little "chuckle" from your attempt at satire.
So should I assume that somewhere along the way, right wingers have lost their sense of humor? Or somehow developed a very thin skin?

Well well well, look waht I did.

I feel calling someone "Hitler" or "a Nazi" is done far too lightly, by all sides. NOBODY alive today is remotely comparable to Hitler, or has done anything remotely comparable to what the Third Reich did -- not George W Bush, not Hillary Clinton, not Saddam Hussein, not anyone. On top of that, I hear righties claiming "the left says Bush is Hitler" a lot more often than I hear lefties saying Bush is Hitler. So when I saw the charge made yet again in Oliver's comments, I felt just saying "no,we don't" wouldn't be enough, so I tried to make the point in a slightly different way.

Thlayli is willing to say positive things about Hitler.

Adolf Hitler was awarded the Iron Cross First Class while fighting in World War I. That's a plain fact which is not affected by what you or I or anyone else thinks of him or by whatever else he did in his life.

I love it when the moonbats toss the old "rich and connected daddy" thing at Bush.

Again, making a point. Lots of people are self-made men. Ronald Reagan is a self-made man. Dubya isn't. Until 1994, the only thing he ever succeeded in was getting people to give him money because he was "George Bush Junior".

Michele: obviously, you're not doing this for the money. The only currency here in the blogosphere is the number of readers. Given that, I'd think you wouldn't be so flippant about your commenters actively driving people away. (I only know about this because Oliver linked to it.)

Hi Jim! :)
(Yes, Jim K. and Mrs. K. are very good friends of mine. We stay that way because there are certain subjects we don't bring up.)

I wonder what Clan of Trolls the name Thlayli derives from

"Thlayli" is the Lapine name for Bigwig, in "Watership Down". I doubt it's the same Bigwig who runs the "Silflay Hraka" blog, though.

Well, if you replace "Jews," with "Muslims," I can think of a few people over at LittleGreenFootballs who that might describe.

Of course, if you replace it with "Jews" again, a number of Hesiod posters fit the bill. :)

So should I assume that somewhere along the way, right wingers have lost their sense of humor? Or somehow developed a very thin skin?

Should I spell this for you, or just use small words ?

First of all, I have a great sense of humor, and I'm not a "right winger". Second, your little attempt at "satire" was NOT funny, despite your claims to the contrary. Unless you mean the "hey look at the retard that tripped and fell down, ha ha ha" kind of funny.

My REAL point was that you should know better than to think you could peddle such dopey crap HERE and actually expect someone would find it funny. Unless you are as stupid as you appear to be, I would say you knew full well no one would find it funny. So what was the point then ?

Will you BOTH please just shut the hell up?

Thank you.

Don't you hate it when you show up with your matches and gasoline only to find out that the flame war has been cancelled?

It would've been fun, though. I would've been able to sit right here on my moderate fence and take pot shots at both extremes.

Oh well.

No similarity between Bush and Hitler. After all, Hitler took power in a dubious "election",

NO. HE. DIDN'T.

Read a Goddammed history book, Ken, before you talk about things you know nothing about. Hitler was appointed chancellor. As to the rest of your blatant stupidity, well, blow me.

A Hitler got to the position of Der Fuhrer on his good looks and personality, That is common knowledge.
Now we must find a decorated combat veteran, who has charisma, without a father that has not paved his way......Is Timothy McVeigh or David Koresh still alive?
McVeigh and Terry Nichols in '04!!!!!!!!

Oh, and reading more of the above posts, I am starting to think that maybe Hitler wa not as bad as history made him out to be......I guess the Allies made a mistake in liberating Europe from this Genius........Now I feel bad. We could all be speking German now.........Auf Weder sehen.

I was strangely unable to quit reading this line of comments, even though it's quite depressing to "see" people talk to each other like this.

I have to wonder ...if everyone was in the same room together in "friendly debate," would it deteriorate in such a fashion? Methinks some Jerry Springer-ish fist fights would ensue given what has been said, and I'm sure most of everyone's mommas taught them better.

I've been accused of tree-hugging before and told to peddle my wares elsewhere, but I keep coming back, mostly because Michele is an excellent journalist, but also because she poses a forum for folks to come together and share... Seems like from this thread, some folks need some more love, courtesy and respect in their lives.

It is possible to have differing opinions and to NOT be a total ass or try to crush someone just because they don't share your views...

Anyway.

It is possible to have differing opinions and to NOT be a total ass or try to crush someone just because they don't share your views...

Perhaps.

Perhaps not.

Some things (and people) are just so blatantly stupid that they have to be exposed to ridicule, because logic has no effect. Ken's remarks qualify. He's an idiot who thinks that he's a lot more funny than he really is. He's also so clueless that he doesn't know the basic history of what he's talking about.

I heard this for MONTHS after the 2000 election. The same joke over and over again: "You know the difference between Bush and Hitler? Hitler was elected." And when I'd tell them that, no, Hitler wasn't elected, they'd look at me like I was the idiot. I'd punctured one of their little fantasies, and was playing Official Party Pooper™. They didn't like that.

I disagree with the train of thought that noone could possibly be as bad as Hitler. On the contrary, you can find people who could be just as evil, and capable of engeneering the atrocities Hitler did all over. The difference is that Hitler was in the right place, at the right time in history, and had the political ability to take advantage of it. That's why we must never, ever, sit on our asses again when one of these bastards pops up. Do you have any doubt that Saddam Hussein (or Kim Jong II, or Slobodan Milosovich, etc etc) wouldn't commit atrocities on Hitler's level if their military might was at the same equivalent level thats Germany's was compared to the US in 1940? Crop the assholes at the root before the weeds spread.

'You have any doubt that Saddam Hussein wouldn't commit atrocities on Hitler's level if their military might was at the same equivalent level thats Germany's was'
RIght on. America has that Military might and then some. Where are all the concentration camps that the democrats feared? Where are the gas chambers, the murder of millions of people?
I know what they will say........He hides it so well that the death of millions of people will never be noticed......Am I right?

On the Springer note; I suppose when you compare any elected official in America to Hitler you are going to piss someone off. I would not be surprised if the chairs go flying.