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NY City Hall shooting update

They are now announcing that the gunman died in the shootout. There are claims that the gunman was a rival of the deceased victim, Councilman James Davis.

Davis, a retired NYC Policeman, "headed "LOVE YOURSELF" Stop the Violence, a non-profit organization he founded in 1990. Among other efforts, the group in 1994 convinced Toys 'R' Us to stop selling realistic-looking toy guns. Davis was elected to the New York City Council in November 2001."

There is speculation that he entered the building with Davis himself, and they did not have to pass through the metal detectors.

So Davis, an anti-gun advocate, unkowingly allowed the armed man who was about to kill him walk into the building with him, bypassing the usual security procedures.

Tragic.

I'm watching the news conference now, and, as I suspected, some people are turning this into a news-op to trot out the "guns kill people" argument.

Someone's dead here. Even if the death is a result of Davis's anti-gun stance, the politicians sticking their face in the news camera's should not view this as an opportunity to start ranting about the need for more stringent anti-gun laws.

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I completely agree. It's awful.

"politicians...should not view this as an opportunity to start ranting about the need for more stringent anti-gun laws"

Agreed. I seem to remember that Ed Koch once put up a billboard (using taxpayer money, I assume) that said "New York has the strictest gun laws in the nation". It didn't work then, it won't work now.

Your right, a man is dead. That the weapon was a gun is not the point. That a man felt the need to kill is tragic.

"So Davis, an anti-gun advocate, unkowingly allowed the armed man who was about to kill him walk into the building with him, bypassing the usual security procedures."

I saw on a later report that Davis was carrying a licensed handgun, which he never used or drew.

Now, does the shooter - who resorted to an extreeme level of violence against a politician whose views he opposed - qualify as a terrorist? While all of this is still speculation, how different is a person who kills political figures whose views they opposed from a person who kills civilians to make a political point.

And what does it say about our society - which is meant to be an example to the world on freedom and democracy - when we still have people who believe the only way to achieve political change is to kill the people who think differently from them.

The news reports seem to indicate they were both in the balcony. Very close range. Wouldn't a knife have been just as deadly? Just wondering.

I also heard the killer was himself killed by police. How long till we see the posts on DU and Indymudhens about him being "assassinated" or "executed" by police stormtroopers?

[oops, almost forgot]

and "it's all Bush's fault" and "victim of the new fascist police state"

What where they doing not STRICTLY ADHERING to security procedures?! Jesus Christ! Security is not to be cherry-picked. It MUST apply to everyone. This is like reverse profiling. Oh, he's a councilmember. He cannot possibly harm anyone. Shoo him right on past that pesky ole metal detector thingy.

What is says about out society is that this man is an abberation. A dead abberation. This is not business as usual. Your moral equivalence is showing, and it's no prettier now than it has ever been.

Ah, that comment was directed to Ken. And I earnestly hope I'm not feeding a troll.

RHIP is a disease, not a perk of office. In almost every situation where rank is used to circumvent routine procedures, bad shit will happen that the procedures were designed to prevent.

The best way that any leader, in any organization, can prove that his role has not gone to his head is to undergo the same processes and procedures that we all do. Starting with the wait at the DMV, in my opinion.

I also read that Davis had a concealed weapon (didn't draw it). What is an anti-gun politician doing packing heat?

Oh, right. Joining the club.