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Consider your country, Americans: a nation that commits political assassinations to get a better hand from a deck of playing cards. No matter how despicable these brothers were, think of what you become if you rejoice at their deaths. And what the detestable leadership of our country has become, to conduct regime change by smart bomb, with no scruples, and with lie after lie to have their way, the ends justifying the means, with no hesitation about the cost to our souls.

My soul is much lighter today, thank you, knowing that two evil bastards are no longer breathing. I rejoice because they have killed hundreds - maybe thousands - before they were snuffed out themselves. I would worry about the souls of those who are upset that the two bloodthirsty brothers are dead.

What have I become? I'll tell you. I've become tired of people who think we should treat our enemies as friends. I've become tired of the moaning from the left that we are not humane in our efforts to root out terrorism and tyranny. I've become a a cheerleader for death and I have no problem admitting that, because I cheer for the death of people who do not care about the lives of others, people who perform horrid tasks upon other human beings. I am tired of the people who defend those tyrants, and, mostly I am tired of people complaining that this country and its leaders are so depraved and horrible, and give no consideration to the people who are living in countries far much worse off than this one, and try to stop us from giving those people a better life.

That's what I've become and that's why I am not the least bit worried about the state of my soul when I smile with glee at the news of the death of those subhumans.

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I'll drink to that.

Wow. What a link. And they're probably looking at their stats today saying, "Geeze ... look at these referrals!" Sitemeter needs to offer a "People Who Visited Your Site And Lauged At Your Expense" statistic.

... and for me, a "people who can't spell" statistic ...

I gotta roll my eyes at dopey drama statements like "I've become a cheerleader for death", but I feel nothing but relief and satisfaction knowing those sick sons of a sick bastard are gone. I also dismiss the arguments that they were "assassinated" - the Hussein Boys were the leaders of a country with which we were at war, not political criminals on the run. Different rules applied here.

Now, had they laying on a beach in France and a U.S. agent popped 'em behind the ear, you could call it assassination. But they were killed in a firefight with U.S troops in what is still a war zone, and were most likely directing the attacks on our troops in t he first place.

I also think taking Fric 'n' Frac alive so they could have led us to Pops was not realm of possible U.S. strategy - at least until they started returning fire. See ya, boys!

On chaos mode today, I guess. That last bit should read "not OUT OF THE REALM OF possible U.S strategy". HkjKDNKWEwoi!

Absolutely. The worst thing would be to humanely take them alive and then subject us to All Uday All the Time. Kill em and put their heads on sticks if there's anything to be put on said stick.

I think it's best not to delight in the death of our enemies, but to see their deaths as a regrettable instance of self defense. That doesn't mean an occasional hoorah at mailing some of our enemies back to Jesus isn't understandable. But we need to protect our own souls and be good sports about the whole thing, too.

This all doesn't mean I won't support going Mistah Kurtz on the Arabs if they keep up the terrorism. I will. But I won't gloat (a lot) when it's all over.

Hey, hey, hey...watch your bleeding hearts bias there, please. I'm very far left. Yet I, along with many of my fellow lefterners rejoiced yesterday after learning about the death of these two disgusting creatures. For those of us who are as far left as I am have wanted this for years. In fact, we wanted it before most people on the right even knew who the two were. I have always been for going into Iraq on a humanitarian effort. What I will not support is a government and administration who needs to make up lies to get us in there...and a right which seems perfectly OK with that.

It's a wonder to me that some folks can think at all, what with the deafening whump-noise of contexts dropping all around--like bird bodies at a Texas dove shoot.

Given the amount of hatred in Iraq for these two, I doubt prison would have been any safer for them. Most prisoners would have leaped at the chance to dispense their own brand of "justice" (see Dahmer, Jeffrey).

In fact, that would have been an effective interrogation technique, had they survived:

"Now, Qusay, please tell us where your father is hiding."

"Go to hell, infidel dog!"

"Oh, I see. Sergeant, would you take Mr. Hussein over to that dirt-poor Shi'ite neighborhood, you know, the one where everyone says they were tortured? I'm sure they would want to ask him some questions as well."

Come to think of it, dying in battle with the 101st was probably too good a death for these two. It would have been more just to have the Iraqis take them into their own hands, so to speak.

My only question for you is, "How on Earth could you, a sane rational person, find yourself at that site?" I can only hope it was the bloggospheric equivalent of "neighborhood watch" to keep track of suspicious strangers.

I think a better name for the site would be either "Follow me, I'm lonely" or "Follow me, then we'll both be lost."
INTERGALACTIC CAPITALIST

a small part of me agrees with you - that those who have such utter disrepect for life also deserve to die.

but i still cannot support our government assassinating other political leaders because i do not, in my soul, believe that it has solved the problem. not in the least.

this is all going to blow up in our faces. you wait. it took over a decade for Al Queda to get their revenge on the US; it could take just as long for this regime to act out theirs. but it will come, and our acts of war will have done nothing but ignite more acts of war.

that is my belief; you have yours.

For chrissakes, leblanc (et al.), it was NOT an assassination! They were ordered to surrender and instead chose to start shooting. It's just amusing that no matter what the circumstances, any killing by any American soldier for any reason at all is considered an assassination.

BTW, they were no longer "political leaders", they were fugitives. And as for this regime getting their revenge...let them try. Corpses tend to be very poor at getting revenge. Their few friends may be a little more effective but that's all the more reason to just make them corpses, too.

"...think of what you become..."

In WWII, Allied bombing raids over German cities killed 600,000 civilians and left over seven million people homeless. One particular raid conducted by the Royal Air Force--called "Operation Gomorrah"--dropped ten thousand tons of high explosive and incendiary bombs onto residential areas of Hamburg. The city was engulfed by mile-high flames, which generated winds so violent that they alone destroyed houses. When it was over, many thousands of German citizens had been roasted in their own fat, or cooked in the water from bursting boilers, or reduced to crumbling ash.

That was the nature of industrial warfare in the 20th century: indiscriminate slaughter of civilians along with soldiers. America did it. Britain did it. So did Germany. That was how war was waged: break the hostile regime by breaking the entirety of the nation which hosted it.

Today, we have weapons so precise that they can flatten a single gun emplacement in the courtyard of a hospital and leave the hospital fully intact. We broadcast instructions to enemy troops on how to surrender without getting killed. And we can pick off the military leaders of the regime, one at a time, while leaving the civlian population virtually unscathed.

What have we become?

Morally improved. Thanks for asking.

no doubt those AssKnobs™ condemned the Palestinians who rejoiced on 9/11?

According to The Cards, Qusay was Military Bureau Deputy Chairman & Uday was Chief of the Feyadeen.

That sounds like they were military targets, and fair game, to me.

"I've become tired of people who think we should treat our enemies as friends."

I would take this to mean you are also tired of Bush treating Saudi Arabia as "friends"
If anyone needs their oil stolen, it's them.

"assassination" is a term that can be defined in many ways. I was repeating what had already been written by someone else.

and they are fugitives because WE went into THEIR country and determined it was our responsibility to overthrow THEIR government. they were not fugitives on US soil.

no matter how you frame it, i still don't agree that the US military has made the best choices here.

Poor reactionay lefties.

All they do is lose and lose and lose.

What do they do?

They lie and lie and lie.

Pathetic, really.

MonkeyPants
Imperial Falconer

" And we can pick off the military leaders of the regime, one at a time, while leaving the civlian population virtually unscathed."

All evidence I've seen is the the Iraqi civilian population has suffered and is suffering greatly because of our presence and actions since the first Gulf War. suggesting that our military actions have not affected the civilians is ludicrous.

This is not to say that they have not suffered because of Saddam's practices as well, but over the last decade, we have contributed greatly to the suffering of these people.

People, people, give it up, we'll never convince the loony left of the rightness of the cause. Facts and Truth have no place in their lives.

See?

[buffs fingernails on chest]

They will probably come martyrs to arse-hat Islamo-fascists everywhere. So what? Good to see the two bastards die.

I was going to make a snide comment linking Ms. LeBlanc's French ancestry with her French attitude, but..., ooops, I guess I just did.

Yeah, the US Military's actions have indeed affected the Iraqi people. They can speak freely now; one estimate indicated there are now over 100 independent newspapers in Baghdad alone.

Not one Iraqi citizen has been tortured since the US Military took over (and please, lefties, do not try and equate US interrogations with Mukhbarat torture; it only makes you look silly).

The UN sanctions, the alleged source of hundreds of thousands of deaths, have been lifted.

For the first time in decades, Iraq's Shi'a population is free to practice their religion.

You bet the US Military has affected the Iraqi people.

The same way we "affected" the French in WWII.

The same way we "affected" the eastern Europeans during the Cold War.

The same way we have "affected" the South Koreans for the past 50 years.

It's called liberation and freedom. You may be insensitive to the effect, but for people who have actually lived under tyranny, it's positively intoxicating.

Its amazing the trolls who have lamented the death of the evil twins. Cong. Rangel accused American troops of being hitmen. I wonder if American troops would have killed Hitler had they had the chance? Would the trolls characterize this as an assasination?

In the Twilight Zone World of the Left, there is no morale compass, no right or wrong that utilizes the morale principles developed over 2,000 yeras, just their preverted standards. They will always be with us, as my father's generation had its appeasers and Chamberlains, I have seen the Clintons, Kennedys, MCGoverns and Daschles. I have no doubt my children will have to endure the mistakes that such future idiots will commit in the name of peace.

Leblanc –you said ‘it took over a decade for Al Queda to get their revenge on the US’

Would you like to tell us what all of those wealthy Saudis were getting revenge for, and why they were getting this revenge on innocent office workers and firemen?

If you would prefer that Saddam’s sons were free, then you are as far from humane as it gets – you have sympathy for these murderers because they opposed the same government you oppose. Would you like to tell us why these state-sponsored murderers and rapists should not be treated as fugitives? Better yet, why don’t you go visit some Iraqi refugees, and try to explain your ‘humane values’ to them.

I know you are an athiest but your sentiments fit right in with the judeo-christian ethic espoused by the prophets. We are taught to hate evil. To HATE EVIL. Yes it is moral to hate...evil. It is immoral not to hate evil.

Kevin: Where I come from, LeBlanc is a native american last name. I am not French by any lineage.

Mary: if you don't know what the revenge was for, read your history books.

And why when Americans rape and kill and murder is it considered acts of justice, but when other nations do so it is considered terrorist?

"You cannot simultaneously prepare for and prevent war." -- Einstein

Amy, come on now. I went to your site and in 15 seconds I know that your defense of calling the death of the Hussein boys "assasination" because someone else described it as such is nonsense. Your post http://www.amyleblanc.com/index.php?id=P383 says it in only 3 sentences.

It is NOT assasination. End of discussion. Whether you believe the US army should be pursuing these two or not, when they were told to surrender they did not. They WOULD have faced prosecution for their crimes against humanity. This is a fact. I defy you to counter that fact. Based on this, they chose to fight, and they died. That is NOT assasination.

What does rape and murder by Americans have to do with rape and murder by the Hussein boys. Are you accusing the US military of such crimes in Iraq ? If so, what proof do you have ? And I mean OTHER than indymedia.com, although I don't even thing THOSE lunatics have made such allegations.

You proceed from a false assumption - that all men are good. That is simply not the case. Men like the Hussein boys are evil, period. No amount of time or appeasement was going to change that. The rape and murder, torture and every other dispicable act their tyranical regime committed would have continued infinitum without intervention. In fact, oppressive economic sanction couldn't even have an impact on them.

The terrorists you fear are a reaction to our freedom in the US. They fear the same level of freedom in their country. They cannot bear the thought of it. Whether they choose to justify their acts of terrorism as revenge, or pro-active methods to prevent the spread of the evil American freedoms, the actions are the same.

Finally, you cannot cower in the corner in fear of terrorists. You cannot hope to appease them. They are in the business of fear. The only response to that is defiance, in it's many forms. Your response is the fear that they so much desire. You would seek to change the way the US conducts itself in response to terrorism and I will have NONE of it.

leblanc,
It wasn't THEIR country for us to take. The country belongs to the people of Iraq -- not to the dictators that oppressed them for these many years. If you're holding people hostage at a bank and someone tries to stop you, they're not trying to take YOUR bank.

Leblanc – History books – you mean like Bernard Lewis, who asked why how Islamic civilization fell from a position of leadership five or six centuries ago to a "poor, weak, and ignorant" backwater. Is that your theory about why a bunch of wealthy Saudis decided to kill thousands of innocent people who were just coming into work and pouring themselves their morning coffee? Do you think the attacks might have had something to do with al Qaeda’s hopes that they could get the American military to leave Saudi Arabia so they and the Saudi princes who finance them could grab the oil wealth and the power?

So, do you think the 9/11 attacks were revenge? Do you think they were justified?

Do you know anything at all about al Qaeda and their beliefs, about Sayed Qtub, Islamic fundamentalism and King Fahd’s relationship with Abdul Aziz? - or are you just defending them for the same reason that you defend Saddam’s sons, for the same reason that you’re making nasty, stupid, baseless Chomskyesque accusations about American troops – because Saddam’s sons and al Qaeda oppose the same government that you oppose, and the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

This belief, that the US government is bad and that anything that opposes it is good, is reactionary. You can quote Einstein all you want, there’s no original thought behind what you say - just a mindless US=bad reaction.

And why when Americans rape and kill and murder is it considered acts of justice, but when other nations do so it is considered terrorist?

Ahem.

Could you get a little more histrionic?

Oh, btw... there is a world of difference between the terms "virtually unscathed" and "not affected" and trying to equate the two is rather dishonest.

another point: the fact that our press is releasing "graphic after-death photos" of the Hussein brothers ( http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=iraq ) after Americans threw such a fit about the Iraqis showing prisoner of war images on TV is just another glaring example of the hypocrisy going on in this war to me.

anyway......

thanks to everyone for your discussion, and to Michele for allowing it to happen here.

although my opinion sits on the other side of this issue than most of yours, it's still good to hear your thoughts and opinions, and although you haven't changed my mind you've made me think, which i s a good thing. i am not going to go any further with this because it's pointless; we're all entrenched in our positions.

a final thought:
"Don't argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference."

"the fact that our press is releasing "graphic after-death photos" of the Hussein brothers ( http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=world&cat=iraq ) after Americans threw such a fit about the Iraqis showing prisoner of war images on TV is just another glaring example of the hypocrisy going on in this war to me."

So there's no moral difference between our soldiers and the Hussein progeny? None at all?

Do I have to go through my history books and scratch out the pictures of the Nuremberg trials?.

LeBlanc, I assume that you're either from the Eastern US or Canada, or the Great Lakes region.

While it may be true that many LeBlancs in that area are Native American, they were probably given that name a long time ago by French missionaries, or are descendants of French trappers. LeBlanc, after all, is a French name, meaning (ironically) "The White One".

This kind of reminds me of the old 'Nam vet who insisted that "beaucoup" was Vietnamese for "plenty". I respected him too much to correct him.

Bleeding Hearts et al

As a Roman Catholic, I have a troubled conscience. To be absolutely frank, the cant and hypocrisy of the Bush administration, many of whose close supporters have seriously enriched themselves from their self-styled war against terrorism and their unlawful invasion of Iraq, I get so pissed off that when I hear on the latest news that some other U.S. (or Brit) soldier has been killed in Iraq, I am not exactly sorry. The Coalition's casualties pale into significance once you realise that over 7,000 Iraqi civilians have been killed so far. I positively rejoiced when I heard about the power cuts and I sincerely hope that it turns out that Al-Quaeda was behind it.

It pleases me no end that my colleagues in the Greek Bar Association are seeking to indict the gutless Mr. Blair as a war criminal at the International Criminal Court (gutless because he decided to appease the Bush Administration rather than supporting our European partners in France and Germany who spoke for the overwhelming majority of EU citizens).

That Bush is trying to smash the ICC can come as no surprise to anyone. After all, what can you expect from a man who grandfather helped to finance the Nazis?

As a Human Rights Lawyer, I have decided to do a little ambulance chasing. I am trying to contact the families of the thousands of men, women and children in Afghanistan and Iraq that the so-called Coalition has managed to kill to date. I have in mind the sum of £6.3 million for each and every death: the same amount that Libya has to pay to the Lockerbie victims. In recent weeks, the U.S. has indeed been offering compensation to the families of the people it has murdered in Iraq, of a few hundred dollars each.

I don't hate Americans. But I sure as hell hate your government and even more so, my own, for supporting an administration who are little better than Nazis.

Many of us are kinda puzzled too, John, by the quaint notion that you can transform a dictatorship into a democracy at the point of a gun.

Nice threat!

I guess the UN sanctions, the alleged source of hundreds of thousands of deaths, have been lifted. For the first time in decades, Iraq's Shi'a population is free to practice their religion. You bet the US Military has affected the Iraqi people...

There are many ups and downs..

Do you know anything at all about al Qaeda and their beliefs, about Sayed Qtub, Islamic fundamentalism and King Fahd’s relationship with Abdul Aziz?

Other hand, Bush is trying to smash the ICC can come as no surprise to anyone. After all, what can you expect from a man who grandfather helped to finance the Nazis?