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villains part 2: back to the drawing board

Fine. You win. Boba Fett does not count as a true villain.

I'll come up with my list tomorrow but for now I challenge you to come up with some interesting villains that are not on the AFI list (listed below for easy reference).

1. Hannibal Lecter (Anthony Hopkins (news)), "The Silence of the Lambs."

2. Norman Bates (Anthony Perkins (news)), "Psycho."

3. Darth Vader (David Prowse, voiced by James Earl Jones (news)), "The Empire Strikes Back."

4. The Wicked Witch of the West (Margaret Hamilton), "The Wizard of Oz."

5. Nurse Ratched (Louise Fletcher (news)), "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest."

6. Mr. Potter (Lionel Barrymore (news)), "It's a Wonderful Life."

7. Alex Forrest (Glenn Close (news)), "Fatal Attraction."

8. Phyllis Dietrichson (Barbara Stanwyck (news)), "Double Indemnity."

9. Regan MacNeil (Linda Blair (news)), "The Exorcist."

10. The Queen (voiced by Lucille LaVerne), "Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs."

11. Michael Corleone (Al Pacino), "The Godfather Part II."

12. Alex DeLarge (Malcolm McDowell (news)), "A Clockwork Orange."

13. HAL 9000 (voiced by Douglas Rain), "2001: A Space Odyssey."

14. The Alien (Bolaji Badejo), "Alien." 15. Amon Goeth (Ralph Fiennes (news)), "Schindler's List."

16. Noah Cross (John Huston (news)), "Chinatown."

17. Annie Wilkes (Kathy Bates (news)), "Misery."

18. The Shark, "Jaws."

19. Captain Bligh (Charles Laughton (news)), "Mutiny on the Bounty."

20. Man, "Bambi."

21. Mrs. John Iselin (Angela Lansbury (news)), "The Manchurian Candidate."

22. The Terminator (Arnold Schwarzenegger), "The Terminator."

23. Eve Harrington (Anne Baxter (news)), "All About Eve."

24. Gordon Gekko (Michael Douglas (news)), "Wall Street."

25. Jack Torrance (Jack Nicholson (news)), "The Shining."

26. Cody Jarrett (James Cagney (news)), "White Heat."

27. The Martians, "War of the Worlds."

28. Max Cady (Robert Mitchum (news)), "Cape Fear."

29. Rev. Harry Powell (Robert Mitchum), "The Night of the Hunter."

30. Travis Bickle (Robert De Niro (news)), "Taxi Driver."

31. Mrs. Danvers (Judith Anderson), "Rebecca."

32. Clyde Barrow and Bonnie Parker (Warren Beatty (news) and Faye Dunaway), "Bonnie and Clyde."

33. Count Dracula (Bela Lugosi (news)), "Dracula."

34. Dr. Szell (Laurence Olivier (news)), "Marathon Man."

35. J.J. Hunsecker (Burt Lancaster (news)), "Sweet Smell of Success."

36. Frank Booth (Dennis Hopper (news)), "Blue Velvet."

37. Harry Lime (Orson Welles (news)), "The Third Man."

38. Rico Bandello (Edward G. Robinson (news)), "Little Caesar."

39. Cruella De Vil (voiced by Betty Lou Gerson), "One Hundred and One Dalmatians."

40. Freddy Krueger (Robert Englund (news)), "A Nightmare on Elm Street."

41. Joan Crawford (news) (Faye Dunaway), "Mommie Dearest."

42. Tom Powers (James Cagney), "The Public Enemy."

43. Regina Giddens (Bette Davis (news)), "The Little Foxes."

44. Baby Jane Hudson (Bette Davis), "What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?"

45. The Joker (Jack Nicholson), "Batman."

46. Hans Gruber (Alan Rickman (news)), "Die Hard."

47. Tony Camonte (Paul Muni), "Scarface."

48. Verbal Kint (Kevin Spacey (news)), "The Usual Suspects."

49. Auric Goldfinger (Gert Frobe), "Goldfinger."

50. Alonzo Harris (Denzel Washington (news)), "Training Day."


What the Fu? No Michael Myers on that list? Frigging 'Man' from BAMBI gets on the list, but no heavy-breathing unkillable Michael Myers? BULL. SHIT.

What about Bruce Willis as The Jackal?

I don't know if you'd call him interesting, but the obvious choice to me is "Jason" from Friday the 13th.

The one villian that keeps popping into my head is "Ming" from Flash Gordon.

Without a doubt, Clancy Brown as the vile and smug captain Byron Hadley in the Shawshank Redemption.
On a coincidental side note, I read he played the voice of one of the bounty hunters in Star Wars- Montross

I notice it lacks the human-eating aliens from Bad Taste. For shame.

And the principals from both "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" and "Breakfast Club." Tsk tsk.

Oh, you said interesting. Sorry.

Is Travis Bickle really a "villain"? He's more of an anti-hero. And as for The Exorcist, wasn't the whole point of the movie that Regan had been possessed by a demon? Wouldn't that make the demon the villain? STOP BLAMING THE VICTIM, AFI.

How about the rapist mountain dudes from 'Deliverance?'

Michael Madsen as Mr. Blonde in 'Resevoir Dogs.'

Gary Oldman as Agent Norman Stansfield in 'Leon.' "He said, go back inside!"

Brian Dennehy as Jimmy Horn in 'Gladiator.'

Ronny Cox as Dick Jones and Kurtwood Smith as Clarence Boddicker in 'Robocop.'

Hannibal Lecter?! Hello? Could anybody be scarier?

My picks:

1. Lord Farquaad (John Lithgow), "Shrek"--He tortured The Gingerbread Man!! That's the epitome of evil!
2. Azrael (Jason Lee), "Dogma"
3. Patrick Bateman (Christian Bale), "American Psycho"

And I second the nomination of Mr. Blonde!

How about that heroin dealer lez from "Liquid Sky"? That girl had no consciense. That's my definition of a villian.

And vampires count too.

I definitely favor Michele's template over the standard slice & dice boys, or the over-the-top fellas like Lecter and Bates.

After thinking it over for a few minutes, I think I'll go with Kathleen Turner's Matty Walker in Body Heat for my female villain, and I have to go with Warren Beatty's Clyde Barrow from the classic Bonnie & Clyde in the male category.

Right-o Caruso on Oldman,And WTF,no Rutger from "Blade Runner" ?

I hate to be such a..... well whatever. Tyler Durden. One of the most perfect villians ever. Your own psyche.

I reckon Bridget Gregory (Linda Fiorentino) from The Last Seduction and Mystique (Rebecca Romijn-Stamos) from X-Men/X2 are both good female villains.

JD (Christian Slater) in Heathers is a good male villain, plus he's got the whole haunted by the past thing going on after watching his mum being blown to pieces.

No one can compete with Dr Evil though - being raised by Belgians is enough to drive anyone to super-villainry.

Well, it was only a 'Made For TV' movie (and a terrific book), but I'll submit Edgler Vess from 'Intensity'. Oh and what about the 'pure evil' from 'The Fifth Element' that made people's heads bleed? Pretty villianous.

I always thought the "Ganz" character in 48 Hours (played by James Remar) was one of the scariest guys in the movies. Admittedly, the move was a bit over-the-top on quality, but that mo'fo' was nasty and apparently had no problems killing anyone, anywhere.



Christopher Walken in Things to Do In Denver When You're Dead. Anybody that can give the order for Buckwheats deserves to be on a top villians list. Gah! (if you didnt get that, rent the movie)

The French guys in the Holy Grail.

Michael Myers.

Gary Oldman should be on the list all by himself - The Professional, Fifth Element, Air Force One, Dracula... evil, and interesting the lot of 'em.

Jon Polito's character and Eddie the Dane in Miller's Crossing were two of the most interesting villians in a movie full of 'em.

How about Peter Stormare in Fargo!!?? He was interesting by being completely uninteresting (well, the wood chipper was novel).

I second Kevin Parrott's nomination of Michael Myers. Anybody wearing a stretched out mask of William Shatner's face needs to be on this list.

Also, James Mason as Philip Vandamm in "North by Northwest".

Agent Smith!

Clancy Brown from Highlander.
Sam Jackson from Pulp Fiction.

Christopher Walkin as the arch-angel Gabriel.

What I think would be even more interesting is to make a "Villains" list of REAL people. How about it? Same for "Heroes". Except I would nominate Scarlett the cat for #1 hero.

OOps.Forgot that G.Oldman won't get any Hollywood votes because,as I understand it,he's a Republican or something like that.

Does it have to be fictional?

Adolf Hitler in Lene Riefenstahl's Triumph of the Will.

Does it have to be American?

Michael Moore in Bowling for Columbine.

This is too easy. Pick your favorite I-hate-'em person, then find their movie...

Rhoda Penmark (played by Patty McCormack). Otherwise known as The Bad Seed. Cute little blond girl in braids who was evil, evil, evil.

Hugo Weaving as Agent Smith in The Matrix Reloaded (and the first one, of course, but he's far more devious in Reloaded).
Tim Roth in both Rob Roy and The Musketeer.
What about General Zod from Superman II?

gary oldman in true romance, too. "he musta thought it was white boy day."

and i'll second jd in heathers.

oooo. tim roth in rob roy. good call.

I would say The Humungus from Mad Max 2 is my favourite cartoon style villain. That gimp mask and the gruff voice! Very simple but very effective. I believe the actor in question was actually a Norwegian body builder.

My fave unconventional villain was the character of Borgia Ginz; the world dominating pop empresarion in Derek Jarman's 1977 punk flick Jubilee.

He was played by a bald, albino actor whose appearance was so sleek and campily evil that despite chewing the scenery in a most terrifying fashion he still manages to delight and appall in equal measure.

And then he gave up the music business to go into the spare parts industry. Signing off with the line- "Without progress....life would be unbearable!!!!"

What about Dr. Evil and Mini-Me?

The Strangers, from "Dark City". The "Mr Hand" character in particular, played by Richard O'Brien.

Also, the Puppetmaster from "Ghost in the Shell" was a neat bad guy.

Rutger Hauer in "The Hitcher".

hm. how about "The French" in Monty Python and the Holy Grail? them's a good villian. they catapulted a cow!

"your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries..."

Edward Norton Jr's performance as Aaron/Roy in "Primal Fear" still gives me chills whenever I see it--he blew the rest of the cast off the screen, and convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is the greatest actor of his generation. One could argue whether he was the true villian of the story (there were any number of unsavory characters, and his victim certainly merited his grisly end), but he was unquestionably a monster, and all the more so for not being revealed as such until the end of the film.

Kevin Spacey's portrayal of the killer in "Seven" deserves a mention, too.

Terrence Stamp in Superman 2
Kneal before Zod!

^^^ "Kneel" I mean. Sue me, I'm sick...

The John Huston character in Chinatown.

Alex from A Clockwork Orange

Julian Sands as Dr. Nick Cavanaugh from Boxing Helena

D'oh. Scratch Alex, above.

Damn this is weak coffee. Scratch Huston, too.

A definite "hell yes" to Kevin Spacey in Seven and Tim Roth in Rob Roy. And I'd like to add to the list a nice understated one: Paul Newman in The Hudsucker Proxy. His "sure, sure" just rings in my head and makes me cringe.

How about Charles Durning as Doc Hopper in the original muppet movie. Anyone who wants to turn Kermit the Frog into an appetizer has to be evil!