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No matter what happens from this point forth, the fact remains that if the anti-war forces had their way, if the U.N. had its way and we gave the inspectors two or seven or ten more years to do their job, then these imprisoned children would have been in jail for two or seven or ten years more. Most of them would not live to see the end of inspections. Freedom would never come.

Now, they are free. Their neighbors are free. A new world awaits them. A world where their leader does not take a crap on a golden toilet bowl while his citizens starve to death.

How dare you try to deny these people that life.

Go ahead, read that story again.

More than 100 children held in a prison celebrated their freedom Tuesday as US marines rolled into northeast Baghdad amid chaotic scenes which saw civilians loot weapons from an army compound, a US officer said...

"The children had been imprisoned because they had not joined the youth branch of the Baath party," he alleged. "Some of these kids had been in there for five years."

Had you stopped the war, you would have stopped that moment when those kids ran free from their dark, ugly prisons to the arms of waiting relatives.

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And they also would have prevented that glorious moment when Saddam was detonated in a spray of crimson and moustache. Man I wish I could have seen that, um, from a distance, using a spotting scope, and wearing a poncho.

Er, but the kids being freed is pretty cool too, I guess.

I was wanting this story to get spread around (gotta finish that blog software).

Every day, I read stories of the Iraqi's running up to the U.S. forces and thanking them. Hell, one of them got shot and his friend wasn't resentful but glad we are there.

I feel better with each story.

Woohoo! This is wonderful!

Of course the thousands that have been killed, lost limbs, or lost family members would be alive, whole and have parents.
But hey, at the very least, these 100 kids are now free to roam around the city and have a cruise missle land on their heads.

focusing powerful "ignore" ray on all things Chip says or does

Chip, I thought I told you that you're not welcome here anymore. Stop pissing on good news. You have your own blog, use it.

And yea, those people might be alive, Chip. And every single citizen of Iraq would keep on starving, dying, facing torture and torture and rape on a daily basis.

Would you rather that we never fought in World War II at all, given that so many innocent people died? Perhaps you would prefer the way the world we be right now instead?

How terribly clever, Chip.

Because we all know that, really, Saddam was a nice guy who didn't kill, maim, dismember, or orphan anyone. Ever.

George W. is such a tyrannical, murderous dictator in comparison.

It's not really appropriate, to put it that simple to count children against deads. The one side is that of course Saddam is one of the worst guys on earth, but the other side is that George W. Bush is not the knight in shining armour he wants to look like. You can't put it that simple to say if you're not completely on the US side, you're automatically on Saddams side. There are grey shades all around but they are neglected by many far right people nowadays. If they discuss in that way, don't wonder when the "Lefties" do the same.

It seems highly appropriate to me. First of all, it's highly unlikely that the civillian casualties are anywhere near what's being suggested. But even if they are...so what? Saddam kills more people than this war will kill every single year though his murderous tyranny. Yes, it's unfortunate when people die, but sometimes, sacrifices must be made for the greater good. Thousands upon thousands of innocent civillians died in our efforts to stop Hitler. That doesn't mean it was wrong to do it. If a few hundred, maybe even a couple of thousand, must die to make the lives of MILLIONS of people better...I say so be it.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."
-Mr. Spock

Oh, for GOD'S SAKE people. Chip's a Canadian! Who cares what he (scare quote alert) "thinks?"

I had a nice, thoughtful reply to the Chipster, pointing out the obvious flaws in his reflexively anti-American rhetoric and then I thought, why do I bother? Chippy isn't interested in anything resembling reality, or reasoned debate, or the logical deconstruction of his morally bankrupt arguments. No, Chippy is the kind of guy that'd rather sit back and lapse into his comfortable anti-American stance and jabber like the pathetic parasitic little fuckwit he is.

Hey, here's an idea Chippy, you're an aspiring film maker right? Why not a ground-breaking piece called "Portrait of a Clue", it could be in black and white - that's really artsy right? And the story would center around a civil servant from canuckistan who gets a clue-by-four stuck in his ass. finis.

Sorry about that Empress Michele, but Chippy just begs for a good thumping.

Is it just me, or does the above tableau sound eerily like the climactic scene from the movie Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? In the movie, Caractacuts Potts (Dick Van Dyke), helped free the children of Vulgaria from the evil Baron Bomburst (Gert Frobe). The children and their families quickly took up arms to help defeat Baron Bomburst's forces.

So ... that would effectively cast Saddam Hussein as Baron Bomburst, and Tommy Franks or George W. Bush as Caractacuts Potts - the Dick Van Dyke character.

If this doesn't make the liberals (and the Europeans) see the morality of our cause, then I don't know what will. I mean, sheez - Dick Van Dyke is beloved by millions, for Pete's sake. Hmmm. Maybe Willy Wonka can provide some insights...

More fun with Chitty Chitty Bang Bang casting:

Truly Scrumptious (Sally Ann Howes): Laura Bush

Grandpa Potts (Lionel Jeffries): President George Bush (41)

Baroness Bomburst (Anna Quayle): Saddam's wife, Sajida Talfah

Toymaker (Benny Hill): Hmmm. Khidhir Hamza? See Saddam's Bombmaker

Child Catcher (Robert Helpmann): Tariq Aziz

Jemima (Heather Ripley): Jenna Bush

Jeremy (Adrian Hall): George P. Bush

... and the car - Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? Hmmm. How about a super-modern Stealth Fighter?

Wow. I feel a complete Republican musical coming on...

Have you banned his damn IP yet?

If you want a super-modern stealth fighter, Nikita, best take a look at the F-22.

It gets better, Michele. Saddam-fellating former weapons inspector and all-around fuckstick Scott Ritter knew about the children's prisons and shut his filty pie-hole because it might make people want to stick the Holy Kabaa up Saddam's ass. From today's WSL "Best of the Web":

"The prison in question is at the General Security Services headquarters, which was inspected by my team in Jan. 1998. It appeared to be a prison for children--toddlers up to pre-adolescents--whose only crime was to be the offspring of those who have spoken out politically against the regime of Saddam Hussein. It was a horrific scene. Actually I'm not going to describe what I saw there because what I saw was so horrible that it can be used by those who would want to promote war with Iraq, and right now I'm waging peace."

How many ways can you call this guy a useless sack of corrupt shit?

When I read stuff like that, my mind is involuntarily filled with a vision of a MOAB, two daisy cutters and several miscelaneous ordnances accidentally falling out the back of a B-52 into downtown Paris.

Luckily, the vision is suppressed...and replaced with the vision of Jacques Chirac boiling in a vat of nerve and blister agents.

That's the problem w/Europe, Lili, all you see is grey.

And because you can see neither the light nor the dark, you can't act on it. You're in a fog. You're frozen, you don't know which way to go. The US came out of the fog on 9/11. And we're going to drag you kicking and screaming w/us into the light. Europe and the UN have been so wrong on so many things for so long, Your chickens are coming home to roost and it's not going to be pretty.

And frankly, since you're from Germany, the Germans should be shouting from the rooftops about Saddam from experience.

And when I write you/you're, I mean Europe.

I'm not gonna look up the reference in Revelations, but it goes something like this (r,e,shades of grey) "You are neither hot nor cold, I would that you were either hot or cold, but since you are lukewarm, I will spew you out of my mouth." A pretty scarey curse.

'Shades of gray' is typical amoral post-modern blather, which is an excuse to endlessly discuss all sides of an issue without ever coming to a conclusion (which would necessitate hard decisions and action.) But Euros never seem to learn, unfortunately.

When I read stuff like that, my mind is involuntarily filled with a vision of a MOAB, two daisy cutters and several miscelaneous ordnances accidentally falling out the back of a B-52 into downtown Paris.

Luckily, the vision is suppressed...and replaced with the vision of Jacques Chirac boiling in a vat of nerve and blister agents.

Posted by bleeding brain at April 8, 2003 09:43 PM

I don't post here too often anymore (for obvious reasons) but this cracks me up. "When I read about imprisoned Iraqi children being freed, I envision 21,000+ lbs. of ordinance incinerating innocent people in downtown Paris because their government didn't support my President..." Does anybody else see the irony? Please tell me you see the irony...

And that revelationist manichean black/white, no gray area, "we will drag you kicking and screaming into the light" is eerily similar to the ideals of Osama bin Laden... but I digress.

Dona Nobis Pacem

Tom, most humans are smart enough that our standards for irony are higher than that... See we could actually tell that bleeding brain wasn't being literal while lilly, who thinks that torturing children isn't grounds for war is serious. Seriously twisted.

Sandy, great answer, but here it's seen really different. Here it looks like we are the one with the blue sky and the americans are stumbling around in this fog from fear and hatred. No question we think a world without Saddam will be a better world, but here it's seen as civilized to not run into a country and bomb it, for changing its leader.

Lilli, then I guess you think we all should have just talked with HITLER? Hmm? Yeah, that would have solved everything.

I suppose, Lilli, that you think it's civilized to sit back and watch Saddam continue to murder and torture and rape and oppress his helpless people, when we have the power to stop it? That's not civilized-- it's cowardly.

I noticed you folks in Europe didn't have a hell of a lot of complaints when we were bombing the Germans to change their leader and save your asses. Why the change of heart? Because Saddam's tyranny doesn't directly affect YOU? How very noble.

One thing that most of the appeasement crowd depend on is the assumption that the poor, misunderstood, non-Europena leaders are like them. They want to talk to work things out. "If we could just get them into counseling with some other nations in support, I know we could turn them around." After all this worked for Uncle John when he go addicted to percodan.

The problem is being a dictator is not Uncle John. See, Uncle John may have been able to release clouds of noxious gases on occasion, but they never killed people. He never tortured people or paid off terrorist organizations tro commit more terror against nations he didn't like. In short, trying to treat a nation like a dysfunctional family member is not going to work. Because it has already been tried. It has failed. Now, all that is left is enabling his continued dysfunction.

The other truth of the matter is that the UN is no longer relevent because it is not nations that war on each other, it is ideologies, religions and ethnicities. It is all fine and good that people gather to talk there, and there they CAN work somethings out, if both parties are willing to work it out to begin with. But the fact of the matter is, the concept of "nation" is rapidly disappearing outside of Europe and North America. As a population grows, the fractures are becoming visible along those ethnic, religious and idceological lines.

This story reminds me of the scene at the end of "Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom," where the Thuggee cult was defeated and all the little urchin kids who had been imprisoned in the mine by the Thuggees came running out into the light of day and were reunited with their parents. Real life imitates art.

"Civilized"? So the war was offensive because it was somehow gauche? Really, Lilli, all I can say is: blow it out your ass.

Lilli:

You know what's really funny?

Apparently you folks tried this was Milosevic, too. You know, the "there must be a better way." All the time, you (and the French) were complaining about how the US needed to act---while Europeans dithered in their own backyard, allowing Bosnia to happen, and Croatia to happen, and Vukovar and Srebenica.

In the end, it required, gasp, American forces to show up and bomb them. OH, AND WITHOUT BENEFIT OF THE UN!!

But, hey, it's your continent and your history. What do we, in our grey fog, know, right?

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