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Hey, ho, where’d you go, Ohio?

Leave it to SFGate to have an ass-kissing review of The Pretenders' anti-war rally show druing which Chrissie Hynde - one of my former idols - declared that America deserves what it gets from terrorists and that should we go to war, she hopes Iraq wins.


Hey, Chrissie - any idea what your lovely little home state of Ohio would look like if we lost the war or "got what we deserved" according to your skewed view?

I went back to Ohio but my city was gone.
There was no train station, there was no downtown.
South Howard had disappeared, all my favorite places.
My city had been pulled down, reduced to parking spaces.
Hey, ho, where’d you go, Ohio?

Oh, where did Ohio go? It was decimated by nuclear warheads that Iraq doesn't have and all your neighbors were killed by the tons of VX nerve gas which they also do not have!!



Post-nuclear Ohio? Sounds like Youngstown.

Shit! I'm an anti-war "socialist prick" (I'm not really a socialist -- it just sounded good -- more of a social democrat) and I can even be offended by Hynde's statements. While I abhore the prospect of this war I'd never wish another terrorist attack on our soil. Cripes, people like that just hurt their cause.

We'd better get this war over in a hurry. I don't know how many more of my childhood heroes I can stand to reveal their banality and ignorance.

::shaking head::

I'm running out of movie stars and rockers to like. I used to like Chrissie... pity she turned idiot on us.

They better pray to the God they don't believe in that John Ashcroft isn't who they say he is!

I was just reading this:

UPI war protester article

and was struck by one of the protestors leaflets. It read:

"If you had known about Hiroshima in advance, what would you have done to stop it?"

and I swear, my very first thought was:

"I would have gone to the president and said 'I am from the future, you'd better drop that second one on Mecca ....' "

The Pretenders ceased making any worthwhile music after "Learning to Crawl". Hynde has written nothing but drivel ever since.

She's also a fucking hypocrite. She's against bombing a dictator like Saddam, but she has no problem advocating bombing McDonald's because they serve meat.

And having spent 5 years living in the Akron area, the release of nerve gas in the South Howard area would markedly improve property values.

Oh, and accepting all those royalties from Rush Limbaugh's lead -in-song.............


"Let's hear it for Americans everywhere. We're all gonna die."
Chrissie Hynde 3/2/2003

Chrissie kicks ass, but what do I know I'm just a lefty pinko commie fag from San Francisco and my beliefs have no validity in mainstream society. Let's hear it for the marginalized!

Does anybody know exactly what Hynde said? I mean, did she actually, explicitly say that "we" (meaning american citizens) deserve terrorist attacks or was she stating that our esteemed "leaders" have put us in this mess? There's a difference between wishing ill on america, or claming we "deserve" attacks and resenting our "leadership."

Between songs, the pugnacious Hynde, in a classic black T-shirt and jeans, bantered and battled with the crowd. She dedicated "You Know Who Your Friends Are" to "all you junkies and f--," gave a shout-out to the late Joe Strummer, opined that she hopes the United States loses if it goes to war with Iraq ("Bring it on! Give us what we deserve!")...

Oops, okay, I found the offending section. Yeah it is a pretty shitty thing to say. I mean we (we meaning innocent citizens) don't deserve it. Don't attack us, attack the assholes who dictate our policies ;-)

Whilst Googling for her comments I came across yet another lovely comment from Her Tragesty:

"Hollywood Hit Job
Chrissie Hynde, the leader of the ‘80s pop group The Pretenders, caused quite a stir this month when she claimed that multinational corporations “are destroying the planet” during an interview with Pulse magazine. Sounding very Soprano-like, Hynde stated, “The last resort is for someone to go in and actually take these guys out. Maybe it will have to be an out-and-out assassination. When no one will listen anymore, then individuals have to take the law into their own hands and it can get very ugly. When some people decide to run the world for their own economic interests, then someone has to take them out.” This isn’t the first time Hynde’s emotions have gotten the better of her. In 1989, when asked what people should do to help animals, she suggested they “petrol-bomb McDonald’s.” Wait, we have more. In March of 2000, Hynde and three of her PETA cohorts were arrested for slashing leather coats at a Gap in New York City. Corporate CEOs beware -- following her petrol-bomb remarks, some lunatic actually tried it."

Where's the problem here? You said it yourself, "nuclear weapons he doesn't have...VX nerve gas he doesn't have..."
Finally you're admitting to the lack of banned weapons in Iraq.

As an Ohioan, I resemble that remark.


Michele was being sarcastic. That last paragraph was not a factual assertion; if anything the opposite.


Chrissie Hynde?

SNIFF. I liked Chrissie Hynde.

We need to make a list of pro-American musicians!

Someone mentioned Henry Rollins as not being against Israel at least.
Ted Nugent.
Kid Rock.
Johnny Ramone

On the other side is a list too long to bother with. My favorites being David Byrne, Peter Gabriel and Suzane Vega. Hell even Barbra Striesand had ONE great album, her one of clasical music.

Anyone know where Paul Simon and Bjork stand (if they do)? Actually I'm less interested in where foreigners stand on the issue because I know that they may not be informed by their local media.

Oh fucking hairy Jesus on a pogo stick!!!!

This from an interview with Hynde (in 1995, but she's not any better now):

she agrees with Muslim fundamentalists who think blasphemy should be punished by death ­ "it's all about basic respect"
... how can a celebrated militant vegetarian animal ­rights campaigner condone the death penalty for humans? She takes a deep breath: "I know it's unfashionable for people of my generation and after to uphold any religious principles, but I agree with the Muslim fundamentalists that certain crimes should not be allowed. I think religious principles are the only ones worth fighting and dying for. Blasphemy should be punished because it's utterly disrespectful, and when respect and order go out the window, you end up with a society like the one we have now ­ 8 0­ye ar­olds getting beaten up and murdered for their money, children being sexually abused. I think the scum who do that sort of thing should be lined up against the wall and shot." I try to counter, but arguing with Chrissie Hynde is like shouting into a wind tunnel. She pummels me with statistics, all delivered with a degree of emotionally charged certitude that steamrollers any attempt at dissent. Not for the first time do I find myself musing on the link between the rarefied oxygen of rock celebrity and the irrational thought patterns of its protagonists.

From http://www.pretenders.org/arohagan.htm

Here's a recent quote:
"Have we gone to war yet?" she asked sarcastically, early on. "We (expletive) deserve to get bombed. Bring it on." Later she yelled, "Let's get rid of all the economic (expletive) this country represents! Bring it on, I hope the Muslims win!"
from http://www.bayarea.com/mld/cctimes/5303729.htm

Don't get her wrong? How could it be worse than understanding here properly?

I'm reminded of the line from Tatooed Love Boys: "I shot mouth off and you showed me whst that hole was for"

I don't expect much from entertainers except entertainment. If Chrissie Hynde is an idiot, then she's an idiot. I'm not going to give up my copies of the first couple of Pretenders albums. Shit, the Clash offended me at the time I was buying their records. And, there is no way I'm giving up my Lou Reed addiction.

Oh, god...someone...just make it stop...

I hate her more than ever. I've hated her since her flapping slot started grabbling about meat eaters destroying the planet by supporting corporate beef. "Fuck you, because you're fucking all of us," she said.

I took it personally. And since then, I've refused to patronize her product. At least I didn't have any of her albums to deal with.

Cow. Wait. That's an insult to cattle.

how can a militant vegetarian get all lovey-dovey with islam? What about the hajj sheep slaughter? The welcoming goat blood on your new front door step? Ho hum. Another one for the blacklist.

There really is one now, you celebrity airheads! Talk about a self inflicted prophesy!

There is a big difference between being anti-war, which is just stupid in the present circumstances, and being anti-U.S. which makes you my enemy forever.

What makes me very happy is we ARE going to bomb them. 300,000 troops aren't sent over there for excersizes. The VRWC won. The louder bitches like her cry makes it so much better. I feel a wave of peace washing over me right now. And I had shrimp tonight, and will eat a steak tomorrow in Chrissy's name.


Maybe one day the inspectors will. Oh wait, that's right, wouldn't want to give them any more time to do that, would we? Let's blow the shit out of them now, evidence be damned.

How much more than 12 years do you suggest, Guy? Another 12? 20?

Oh, where did Ohio go? It was decimated by nuclear warheads that Iraq doesn't have and all your neighbors were killed by the tons of VX nerve gas which they also do not have!!

Waitaminute! How would those warheads get to Ohio? Train? Even the dreaded and untested North Korean missile is said to be able to reach the West Coast. Ohio's tucked nicely in the middle with a good distance buffer.

No, I think that Hynde would be more likely to get shot at a protest at Kent State than see her neighborhood decimated by one of Saddam's warheads.

"Even the dreaded and untested North Korean missile is said to be able to reach the West Coast. Ohio's tucked nicely in the middle with a good distance buffer.

"No, I think that Hynde would be more likely to get shot at a protest at Kent State than see her neighborhood decimated by one of Saddam's warheads."

As long as there are willing smugglers, you don't need a missile to convey a weapon. And if you want to finger the US for being all crushing of dissent and shit, couldn't you pick an incident more recent than the '60's? (Yes, I know you used Kent State because it's in Ohio.)

As far as Hynde goes, I'm too uncritical a fan of the Pretenders (even packed!) to give up her music, but she's made it obvious for years every time she opens her mouth in public that she's a moral ninny.

Best I can do after a long day at work and fixing dinner...

It is time for you to stop all of your whining
Yes it's time for you to stop all of your whining. oh oh oh
There's one thing you gotta do
To make me tolerate you
Gotta stop whining now
Yeah yeah stop it, stop it

It is time for you to see reality instead of dementia
Yes it's time for you to see reality instead of dementia. oh oh oh
There's one thing you gotta do
To make me tolerate you
Gotta stop whining now
Yeah yeah stop it, stop it

Each little rant that drools from your lips
Makes, makes me want
To open your eyes and tell you
To stop all your whining

Guy missed the point that we know Saddam has biological weapons... We even know who sold them to him.

But some how he just can't find them these days. They must have fallen into his couch.

Josh, Saddam has repeatedly told us he destroyed them. Why can't the right wing nuts just accept that? I mean, Powell has photos and audio tapes, but those aren't facts. Saddam SAYING he's destroyed them should be good enough for everyone.

{end sarcasm}

Josh has a point. Hey, I lose stuff between my sofa cushions all the time...why not weapons of mass destruction? It could happen, people!!

I wonder if Saddam knows where my TV remote is? I've lost about three of the darned things in the last year...


LONDON- Chrissie Hynde, the briefly attractive leader of the band The Pretenders proved that not all ugly women are smart during her concert the previous evening....

I believe Chrissie and Jand Fonda must be on the same wave length.


>Maybe one day the inspectors will. Oh >wait, that's right, wouldn't want to give >them any more time to do that, would >we? Let's blow the shit out of them now, >evidence be damned.

Wait a second. Have you been paying attention? The inspectors found mustard gas earlier this year. They've discovered missles that are designed to disperse gas. The previous weapons inspectors found and destroyed lots of nerve gas, etc, but they said they could not find it all.

Saddams soldiers that have defected said that Saddam has gas.

American intelligence confirms that Iraq is researching gas weapons.

Iraq has actually used gas in war.

We've seen video of a test of a drone to be used to disperse gas.

Defecting Iraqi soldiers claim that Iraq WILL use gas, and Saddam has supplied his soldiers with gas masks.

NO EVIDENCE? Indeed. But you don't let the facts stand in your way.

Please read the following direct quotes and then tell me you don't feel like a complete fool for being used like a cheap hooker as you believed in this fool (Bush) and his cronies (Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.).

What a Tangled Web We Weave . . .
. . . when first we practice to deceive!

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.

Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.

George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.

George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.

George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003

If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.

Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International
February 28, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.

Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.

Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.

Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.

Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.

Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.

Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.

Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003

But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.

Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.

George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.

Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003

We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.

Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.

George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.

Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.

Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.

Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.

Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.

Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.

Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.

Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
May 30, 2003

Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there."

Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
May 30, 2003

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