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commentary on commentary

To Deech, who left this comment on my semantics post:

The problem I have is by advocating the use of the word terrorist to label Palestinians because they are Muslim and attacking civilians promotes the idea that all Muslims are terrorists and that there is no validity to Palestinian side of the argument.

Please point out where I used the word Muslim in that post, or where I said that all Palestinians are terrorists.

I use the word terrorist to label the Palestinians who ambushed and murdered twelve people yesterday. I never once said anything about Muslims. Please, read carefully before commenting on a post. You do nothing to further your side of the argument when you make shit up.

On this post, G says:

it reminds me of the photos showing the israeli people who are building illegal settlements in the occupied territories protesting and hurling themselves at the israeli soldiers who are coming to tear the houses down and give the land back. Both sides are killers and terrorists

Actually, it doesn't remind me of that at all. I have yet to see a photo of Israelis dancing in the streets when Palestinians are killed. I have yet to see a photo of Israeli mothers dressing their children up like terrorists. I have yet to see a photo of an Israeli classroom full of small, impressionable children having being taught to hate and worshiping the scenario of destruction and murder.

I have, however, seen all those photos of Palestinians.

Melissa leaves this comment in the post voices of doom:

This was released for war propoganda. The government needs a good reason to get Saddam. The general public isn't 100 percent behind it so releasing these tapes reminds the public that there is "an evil force out there"

This comment, and the story at VoxNYC which accuses the U.S. of fabricating the latest bin Laden tape to further the agenda of the war on terror, leaves me scratching my head.

I thought the most recent slogan of the left was "Bush is staging the war on Iraq to make us forget that we haven't caught bin Laden."

Which would make the idea that releasing the audio of the firemen and staging a video of bin Laden applauding terror fly in the face of the "make them forget bin Laden" theory. So which is it? The government is throwing 9/11 at us to keep up our anger or the government is staging a war on Iraq to make us forget 9/11?

Moving on to boobies, one Mr. Brooks writes, You just may be the perfect woman. I hate to burst your bubble, Eric, but I am not that great at cleaning the house and I am prone to changing into a huge, baggy t-shirt and a pair of boxers when I get home from work. I slouch, curse like a truck driver and I don't like wrestling or monster truck shows. I also, on occasion, am too tired to have sex. Perfect, I am not.

On the same post, Led writes: Hmm... you could always do your boobies up in camo paint. Maybe even diagram the mideast situation on them. Maybe you can become the BoobiePundit.

He may be on to something. I need to give this some thought.

And Rachel, as always is right. She says boobies is fun to type. Try it. Boobies. boobies. Yep, it's fun!

Troy leaves this comment on my post about fear:

Fear can be managed. Take up skydiving, and two things will happen: you'll learn to work with fear, and you'll discover that you can't be afraid of terrorists (or worried about work, either) while you're in freefall.

Yes, but that would mean first finding a hobby that will help me overcome my fear of heights. Being anxiety-ridden is a vicious cycle, I tell you.

One thing on the commentary on another blog. This exchange was posted in this entry on Joe's Short Strange Trip:

Question: Have you thought about switching to decaf?
Posted by Sean at November 15, 2002 03:32 PM

They make decaf viagra?
Posted by Joe McNally at November 15, 2002 03:44 PM

No, but I heard that God has a hard-on for Marines. Will that work?
Posted by Sean at November 15, 2002 03:50 PM

God has a penis?
Posted by michele at November 15, 2002 05:22 PM

Joe then sent me an email that said: No, you don't. I don't think...

That's a man who knows the right things to say.

And that's the Saturday morning commentary on the commentary.

Comments

I [heart] Joe.

In response to your rebuttal, I agree you didn't use the word Muslim or say that all Palestinians are terrorists in the post I responded in. I, never said you did. In my defense I said it, "promotes the idea."

An idea you continued to promote in your post "scum" in which you wrote:

The sad thing is, they don't even know any better. They are raised that way, in a culture of hatred and violence. They are taught to be killers. The cycle will go on and on as long as the children are dressed up in ammo belts and grenades and paraded around in pride, as long as young men raise their arms in a gruesome cheer when twelve innoncent people are gunned down on their way to prayer.

This is painting with a pretty broad brush, or are you only refering to the people in the picture when you use the word "they?"

My question to you is, are these people "terrorists" as opposed to "militiants" because they are Palestinian and happen to be for the most part Muslims?

Again Respectfully,

Deech

No, they are terrorists because they engage in acts of terrorism, which, speaking literally means:The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

And in order for me to have promoted the idea that all Muslims behave in this manner, I would have had to point out that the people in the picture were Muslims, or at least made some reference to their religion, which I did not. You inferred it. What a reader infers is not always the intent of the writer.

As for my comment regarding the way they are raised, I stand by that. That is the culture of the Palestinians. A culture of death and violence. Unless you can show me otherwise, I will continue to stand by the statement.

Deech, you express concern that using the word "terrorist" tends to imply that all Palestinians are terrorists.

During the 1930s and WWII, did using the term "Nazis" imply that all Germans were Nazis?

The Israeli human rights group B'Tselem has a page dealing with settlers' violence against Palestinians. No photos though (sorry).

just curious(i really don't know the answer),but if I were to have cultural exchange with or do business with their culture,what exactly would they have to trade?

No, no, no, you have got it wrong. The war on Iraq is to make you ignore the doleful performance of the economy... or, at least, so I've read.

Guess what? The definition of terrorism you put up sounds like a description of the US in relation to Iraq. Read it again : "The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons."

mbruce - The Renaissance in Europe was to some extent made possible by Islamic learning, much of which was itself originally borrowed from Greece and Rome. And we use Arabic numerals (algebra is named after
Al-Khwarizmi). An example of cross-cultural fertilisation.

thanks steven,but I was wondereing about,like today.My ancestors could have supplied amber to y'all,but that's not me,today.What might be their current contributions to the world at large.

Mad Bull,
Just how is the US use of force against Iraq illiegal? Iraq attacked one of our client states, Kuwait, which we liberated. To prevent the US going on to Baghdad and overturning the government there, the government of Iraq agreed to certain conditions, which were also passed as Security Council resolutions binding on the Iraq government. When the Iraq government failed to live up to its agreements sanctions were imposed by the UN and enforced by the US, the only country in the world (besides Britain) that would actually put any effort into doing so. The US and Britain continue to patrol two no-fly zones using force to prevent the government of Iraq from murdering large numbers of its own people or setting up for another invasion. Just where is the US violation here? The violations are all on the side of Iraq.

Of course the whole sanctins and no-fly business could have been avoided if we had just gone and destroyed the Ba'athist tyrants in 1991, standing Saddam against a wall as he so richly deserves. But, bowing to multilateralist thinking, the US forebore from doing so. It just goes to show that the multilateralists were twits in this case (as in most cases) and that when we start a job we should finish it expeditiosly, not kick the can down the street a few yards and worry about it again later.

I for one find it interesting how the people whining the most against Palestinian "injustices" forget about the rather substancial population of Palestinians (Israelis of Arabic ethnicity - yes, kiddies, they ARE the same) who decidedly DO NOT strap bombs to themselves and blow up malls and bar mitzvahs. And it is such Israeli Arabs who call for stricter measures against the Palestinians who DO strap bombs to themselves and blow up malls and bar mitzvahs, complaining that these people cause trouble for those simply trying to live peaceful, profitable lives.

So if you think I am going to take the word of some peacenik who hasn't bathed for a month over someone like an Israeli Arab, you must be on some form of barbituate.

That's a good point, Ayne... I was reading this piece from Ha'aretz a while back. It's worth a look. (Certainly Israel's accommodation of its Arab minority deserves respect, under the circumstances, and even despite the disadvantages which some Israeli Arabs say they experience. I wish there were more Israeli Arab perspectives available on the net, because it would be good to get a bigger picture of what life is like for them).

mbruce - There's no question that Islamic civilization has gone into a decline, for many historical reasons. Generally though it can be more helpful to think in terms of individuals rather than cultures. :)